From akeshet at imj.org.il  Mon Jun  1 06:46:36 2009
From: akeshet at imj.org.il (Amalyah Keshet  [akeshet@imj.org.il])
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:46:36 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG:  WIPO, James Boyle, and the Public Domain
Message-ID: <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD781F4AB910B3@mailsrv.imj.org.il>

"The public domain is key to the promotion of innovation and should be fostered, but international intellectual property policies may hinder that process, said speakers at a side event to the last week's meeting of the WIPO Committee on Development and Intellectual Property.

Limitations and exceptions to copyright should be expanded and made mandatory, policymaking should be based on evidence and the public domain should be clearly defined and listed internationally, they said. The 30 April event was organised by the UN Conference on Trade and Development and the International Centre on Trade and Sustainable Development..."


"...James Boyle, a law professor at Duke University who defines the public domain as the raw material free for all to use without permission or a fee, said that the IP policy process was in need of a shift and presented two propositions to alleviate the problem of what he characterised as a "broken system". ...

"Presenting himself as a defender of the intellectual property system, who admitted to having "a warm relationship with [his] royalties checks," Boyle said that "the equivalence of an environmental impact study of our IP policy" should be conducted. "We should look at what we have done and see where it works," he said. When this has been done, he claimed, the results have been disturbing. In many cases, he said, "We are not making things better, we are actually making things worse."

http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/05/08/panel-public-domain-fosters-innovation-more-limitations-exceptions-needed/

From Kristine.Zickuhr at dva.state.wi.us  Mon Jun  1 07:11:19 2009
From: Kristine.Zickuhr at dva.state.wi.us (Zickuhr, Kristine)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:11:19 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Advice on advanced degree for museum technology
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Thank you for all of the excellent advice.  I've never considered a MLIS
degree, but after looking at some of the coursework I think it may be a
good choice.  I'm looking at UW Milwaukee, which offers an online
degree.  They have an IT concentration and also offer an integrated
Masters in History or Anthropology with reduced credits.  Plus as a
veteran I qualify for a full tuition waiver at all state universities!
I really appreciate the input, it was very helpful!

 

Kristine Zickuhr

 


From dianezorich at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 12:21:22 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:21:22 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: Fwd: VRA Intellectual Property Rights News: May 2009
Message-ID: <p06200703c649da826f3c@[10.0.1.200]>

>Thread-Topic: VRA Intellectual Property Rights News: May 2009
>Date:         Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:55:14 -0400
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>From:         Jennifer Green <Jennifer.Green at MASSART.EDU>
>Subject: VRA Intellectual Property Rights News: May 2009
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>
>IPR-In the News
>Compiled by Jen Green, Massachusetts College of Art + Design
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Critics Slam UK Plan to Extend Musical Copyright
>by Archana Venkatraman, Information World Review, April 27, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/cwngeu
>
>"The UK government's proposal to extend the 
>copyright period for sound recordings has seen 
>the academic community publicly attack its 
>volte-face on intellectual property in a deluge 
>of open letters, forums and blogs."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>US Adds Canada, Indonesia, Algeria to Copyright Blacklist
>AFP, April 30, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/df2pmq
>
>"The United States on Thursday placed Canada, 
>Indonesia and Algeria on a blacklist of 
>intellectual property rights violators, joining 
>nations such as China and Russia that were long 
>branded copyright pirates."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Who Knew Discussing a Long Repealed Copyright Law Could Be So Interesting
>by Mike Masnick, Techdirt, May 1, 2009
>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090501/0113064710.shtml
>
>"I wasn't at all sure what to expect yesterday 
>when I went to a conference in honor of the 
>100th anniversary of the US's Copyright Act of 
>1909. After all, that law was superseded by the 
>Copyright Act of 1976, and so it hasn't even 
>been in effect for 33 years. However, the 
>program was organized, in part, by Eric Goldman 
>and Pamela Samuelson, and had some really big 
>names on the speaker list, so I figured I'd at 
>least check it out."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Lord of The Rings Fan Film to Debut... Raising Some Copyright Questions
>by Mike Masnick, Techdirt, May 1, 2009
>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090501/0312444716.shtml
>
>"Once again, we're seeing how modern technology 
>allows people to create nearly the equivalent of 
>a high budget production on a shoestring budget. 
>But, of course, there are copyright questions 
>raised by this whole thing."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Public Knowledge and the Google Book Search Settlement
>by Jef Pearlman, Public Knowledge, May 1, 2009
>http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2129
>
>"This week, the Honorable Judge Chin of the 
>Southern District of New York granted us 
>permission to file an amicus brief regarding the 
>announcement back in October, we've been poring 
>over the 320 pages of text and attachments, 
>meeting with parties on all sides of the issue, 
>and weighing the upsides and the downsides of 
>the deal. In the end, we have some serious 
>concerns about aspects of the proposed 
>settlement, and plan to bring those concerns to 
>the attention of the Court before Judge Chin 
>makes a final ruling."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Chuck Norris Facts Spawn a Dropped Lawsuit - 
>Future of Copyright Infringements Past?
>by Sylvia Cochran, Associated Content, May 2, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/clddwk
>
>"At which point does free speech - such as it is 
>enjoyed on a myriad of websites dedicated to fan 
>fiction, Chuck Norris facts, and associated 
>works of imagination - end and copyright 
>infringement begin?"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Apple v. EFF: The iPhone Jailbreaking Showdown
>by David Kravets, Wired Blog Network, May 2, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/cxv6dp
>
>"To jailbreak or not to jailbreak the iPhone. 
>That was the heated topic of discussion late 
>Friday between Apple's iPhone marketing czar 
>Greg Joswiak, Fred von Lohmann, the Electronic 
>Frontier Foundation's copyright genius, 
>Copyright Office officials including registrar 
>Marybeth Peters, the record labels, movie 
>studios and software industry."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Pirate Bay Verdict Dismissed Safe Harbors, Comparison with Google
>posted By Richard Koman, ZDNet, May 2, 2009
>http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4731
>
>"It's certainly true that Google has pointers a 
>plenty to illegal torrents, so why should the 
>Pirate Bay be hung out to dry while nothing is 
>said of Google?"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Japan: Publisher Says That Disneyland Book Violated Copyright
>Daily Yomiuri & Associated Press, May 3, 2009
>http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20090503TDY02308.htm
>
>"At least seven stories in a best-selling book 
>of 33 anecdotes relating to Tokyo Disneyland 
>highly likely violate copyright, its publisher, 
>Sanctuary Publishing Inc., said Friday."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>EU to Hear Proposal for Cross-Border Net Copyright
>by Kevin J. O'Brien, The New York Times, May 4, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/cxksf4
>
>"Two European commissioners are proposing the 
>creation of a Europewide copyright license for 
>online content that could clear the way for 
>cross-border sales of digital music, games and 
>video - and lower prices for consumers."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>EFF Agrees That Copyright in Second Life is a Mess
>by Mike Masnick, Techdirt, May 4, 2009
>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090501/0154374713.shtml
>
>"Way back in 2003, when Second Life first 
>announced that its users owned the copyright on 
>anything they produced in the world, we pointed 
>out what a bad idea it was."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Could Piracy Blacklist Backfire?
>BBC News, May 4, 2009
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8033382.stm
>
>"Internet law professor Michael Geist on how the 
>US has angered allies with its list of the 
>world's worst piracy offenders. Each April, the 
>US releases the Special 301 Report, which 
>examines the intellectual property laws of its 
>main trading partners. The release generated 
>international headlines last week as countries 
>such as Canada and Israel found themselves on 
>the 'Priority Watch List' of countries that the 
>US claims are the world's worst piracy 
>offenders."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>India Ahead of US, UK in IP Laws, Enforcement Practices
>The Economic Times, India Times, May 6, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/rx7f87
>
>"India has been ranked as the country with the 
>world's most consumer friendly intellectual 
>property (IP) laws since its copyright 
>regulations allow citizens great freedom to 
>access and utilize information for educational 
>and development purposes."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>DC DMCA Exemption Hearings at the Copyright Office: Follow along on Twitter
>by Alex Curtis, Public Knowledge, May 6, 2009
>http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2145
>
>"Every three years, the Copyright Office holds 
>hearings to listen to commenters suggestions for 
>exemptions to the Digital Millennium Copyright 
>Act's prohibition on circumvention of access 
>controls. We've previously written about the 
>handful of exemptions that the Office has 
>granted (which expire and must be renewed every 
>three years). This year, we're on the ground and 
>live-twittering what's going on. Today, Mehan is 
>manning the Public Knowledge twitter account 
>picking out a number of choice quotes and 
>responding to questions."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Groups Complain of Continued Secrecy about Trade Pact
>by Grant Gross, IDG News Service, May 6, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/onxz9m
>
>"The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative 
>(USTR) continues to withhold important details 
>about a closely held copyright enforcement trade 
>agreement, despite promises from U.S. President 
>Barack Obama to release more information, two 
>digital rights groups said Wednesday."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Mininova Starts Filtering Torrents for Copyright Material
>by Matthew Humphries, Geek.com, May 7, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/c7qth4
>
>"The Pirate Bay court case may be over for now, 
>but that isn't the end of court cases with 
>regard to BitTorrent search sites. Next up is 
>Mininova which is set to begin its court battle 
>on May 20th against BREIN, the joint anti-piracy 
>program in the Netherlands. BREIN want to force 
>Mininova to start filtering search results for 
>copyright material."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>EU Parliament Rejects Law Allowing Internet Cutoff
>The Associated Press, May 7, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/orw7eo
>
>"Worried about trampling on the rights of 
>innocent consumers, the European Parliament 
>rejected Wednesday attempts by EU governments to 
>crack down on people who illegally download 
>copyright-protected music and movies over the 
>Internet."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Press Release: Cornell University Library 
>Removes All Restrictions on Use of Public Domain 
>Reproductions
>by Peter Hirtle, Cornell University Library News, May 11, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/pp2gws
>
>"In a dramatic change of practice, Cornell 
>University Library has announced it will no 
>longer require its users to seek permission to 
>publish public domain items duplicated from its 
>collections. Instead, users may now use 
>reproductions of public domain works made for 
>them by the Library or available via Web sites, 
>without seeking any further permission."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>White House Photos Update: Flickr Removes 
>License from Gov't Photos Commentary by Hugh 
>D'Andrade
>by Hugh D'Andrade, Electronic Frontier Foundation, May 12th, 2009
>http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/white-house-photos-u
>
>"The photos by official White House photographer 
>Pete Souza are now available to the public on 
>the White House Flickr stream under a new 
>arrangement: in place of the Creative Commons 
>Attribution license used previously, the photos 
>are now identified as "United States Government 
>Works," along with a link to the U.S. Copyright 
>Office page quoting Title 17 of the United 
>States Code:
>
>? 105. Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works"
>
>"Copyright protection under this title is not 
>available for any work of the United States 
>Government, but the United States Government is 
>not precluded from receiving and holding 
>copyrights transferred to it by assignment, 
>bequest, or otherwise."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Remix Culture: (They say) Fair Use is Your Friend
>by Lawrence Lessig, Lessig Blog,May 19, 2009
>http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/05/remix_culture_they_say_fair_us.html
>
>"The great folks at American University have a 
>great video about "fair use" and remix."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Studios Urge ISP to Admit Piracy, Stop Wasting Court's Time
>posted on TorrentFreak.com, May 18, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/ole88t
>
>"Several studios are currently engaged in legal 
>action against Australian ISP iiNet. They accuse 
>iiNet of failing to take steps to stop its 
>subscribers from sharing files by disconnecting 
>them from the Internet. Now anti-piracy group 
>AFACT says iiNet should just admit its customers 
>are pirates, and stop wasting the court's time."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Taking Sides in the Digital Revolution, Where Copyright is the First Casualty
>by Michiko Kakutani, The New York Times, May 18, 2009
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/books/19kaku.html?_r=1
>
>"Is it O.K. for fans to download music from the 
>Web free? Should YouTube post clips from network 
>and cable television shows, when the posts come 
>from third parties? Do Google and aggregator 
>sites owe newspapers, magazines and other 
>content creators a fee for linking to their 
>sites? Should musicians who want to sample and 
>remix other musicians' work obtain permission 
>from the original artist - or pay for the 
>rights?"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Saving Hollywood
>by Felix Salmon, Reuters, May 19, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/peg4dg
>
>"Some people, like Columbia law professor Tim 
>Wu, are tempted to think that even though Pirate 
>Bay is still functioning, the conviction proves 
>that as a business model, movie piracy is dead 
>in the water."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>A Book Grab by Google
>by Brewster Kahle, The Washington Post, May 19, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/r6m7ax
>
>"A court in the Southern District of New York 
>will soon make a decision that could determine 
>our digital future. A ruling is expected shortly 
>on a proposed settlement of lawsuits filed 
>against Google in 2005 by groups representing 
>authors and publishers claiming that Google's 
>book-scanning project violated copyright."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>U. of Michigan Expands Book-Search Agreement; 
>Google Makes Its Case to Librarians
>by Jennifer Howared, Wired Campus: Chronicle of Higher Education, May 20, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/qkpuvk
>
>"The University of Michigan has expanded its 
>agreement with Google's Book Search program, the 
>university announced today. The move takes into 
>account the terms of the proposed settlement in 
>the lawsuit brought against Google by the 
>Authors Guild, and the Association of American 
>Publishers, the university said."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Google Book-Scanning Pact to Give Libraries Input on Price
>by Miguel Helft, New York TImes, May 20, 2009
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/technology/companies/21google.html
>
>"In a move that could blunt some of the 
>criticism of Google for its settlement of a 
>lawsuit over its book-scanning project, the 
>company signed an agreement with the University 
>of Michigan that would give some libraries a 
>degree of oversight over the prices Google could 
>charge for its vast digital library."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Harvard Prof to RIAA: "P2P is Fair Use"
>Zeropaid.com, May 20, 2009
>http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86267/harvard-prof-to-riaa-p2p-is-fair-use/
>
>"Lawyer Charles Nesson plans to argue that 
>downloading music without permission of 
>copyright holder qualifies for "fair use" 
>exemption from copyright laws, and if an 
>individual file-sharer is not proven to have 
>caused actual losses than they can't be held 
>liable for damages."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Judge Reviewing Pirate Bay Trial Bias is Removed for Bias
>by David Kravets, Wired Blog Network, May 21, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/pyy7bb
>
>"The judge assigned to review whether the trial 
>judge in the Pirate Bay trial was biased has now 
>been removed - for bias, of course."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>At RealDVD Hearing, MPAA Says Copying DVDs Never Legal
>by Greg Sandoval, CNET News, May 21, 2009
>http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10246638-93.html
>
>"Attorneys for the Motion Picture Association of 
>America attacked fair use during a hearing in 
>the RealDVD case here on Thursday, claiming it 
>is not a defense for violating the Digital 
>Millennium Copyright Act. To prove its point, 
>the MPAA relied on RealNetworks' own testimony 
>in a prior case."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Copyright Education Foundation Launched
>by George Szalai, THR.com, May 21, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/pnp9as
>
>"The Copyright Alliance has launched the 
>Copyright Alliance Education Foundation, a new 
>non-profit charitable arm that will develop 
>educational programs aimed at young Americans."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>New French Law on Internet Piracy Meet Skepticism
>by Deborah Seward, The Associated Press, May 21, 2009
>http://tinyurl.com/p58quq
>
>"President Nicolas Sarkozy's governing party 
>rejoiced when it muscled one of his pet projects 
>through the French parliament: an unprecedented 
>law to cut the Internet connections of people 
>who repeatedly download music and movies 
>illegally. Sarkozy's victory last week, however, 
>has not won France leadership in Europe's fight 
>against Internet piracy. The government controls 
>needed to enforce the law have unnerved other 
>European nations while legal challenges at home 
>and opposition in the European Parliament could 
>derail it."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Tosses Out 
>Warrant in Boston College Case, Says No Probable 
>Cause Existed Deeplink
>by Matt Zimmerman, Electronic Frontier Foundation, May 22, 2009
>http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/mass-sjc-tosses-calixte-warrant
>
>"On May 21, 2009, Justice Botsford of the 
>Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts granted 
>our client Riccardo Calixte's motion to quash 
>the illegal search warrant with which it seized 
>Calixte's computers, phones, ipods, camera and 
>other personal property. Not only is this an 
>enormous victory for Calixte himself, but the 
>ruling is also the highest state court opinion 
>to repudiate the nascent law enforcement "trend" 
>of charging internet users who violate websites' 
>terms of service as criminals. (Case page with 
>background documents here.)"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Digital Image Licensing - The debate rages on?
>by G?nter Waibel, hangingtogether.org, May 26th, 2009
>http://hangingtogether.org/?p=692
>
>"Whenever the topic of digital image licensing 
>comes up, I listen closely. While my eyes tend 
>to glaze over when somebody tries to explain the 
>legalese of it all to me (I'm sure it's my 
>fault), I find this discussion fascinating when 
>individuals relate access to high quality images 
>to the mission of their institution, to the way 
>they'd like to serve the public, and to the 
>sustainability of the business enterprise their 
>institution represents. A recent exchange on 
>MCN-L lets your put your finger on the pulse of 
>this spirited discussion in the museum 
>community."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>EFF Launches 'Teaching Copyright' to Correct 
>Entertainment Industry Misinformation
>Electronic Frontier Foundation, May 27, 2009
>http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/05/27
>
>"As the entertainment industry promotes its new 
>anti-copying educational program to the nation's 
>teachers, the Electronic Frontier Foundation 
>(EFF) today launched its own "Teaching 
>Copyright" curriculum and website to help 
>educators give students the real story about 
>their digital rights and responsibilities on the 
>Internet and beyond."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>When Fair Use Is Fairly Difficult Commentary by Hugh D'Andrade
>by Hugh D'Andrade, Electronic Frontier Foundation, May 28, 2009
>http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/when-fair-use-fairly
>
>"For years, it's been a notoriously popular 
>internet meme to remix the "bunker scene" from 
>the 2004 film "Downfall." In the original scene, 
>actor Bruno Ganz portrays Adolf Hitler's ranting 
>breakdown in the final days of the Third Reich. 
>In the hands of internet remixers, the scene's 
>English-language subtitles have been modified to 
>transform it into commentary on everything from 
>the subprime mortage crisis to breakfast theft. 
>There've even been meta-commentaries on the meme 
>itself."
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Many thanks to all of our VRA-IPR members who 
>are monitoring multiple listservs to make this 
>IPR news posting possible. Please submit any 
>comments, questions, or suggestions to Jen Green 
>at jen.green at massart.edu
>
>Jen Green
>Visual Resources Librarian
>Morton R. Godine Library
>Massachusetts College of Art and Design
>621 Huntington Avenue
>Boston, MA 02115
>617-879-7109
>jen.green at massart.edu
>


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From waibelg at oclc.org  Mon Jun  1 12:33:44 2009
From: waibelg at oclc.org (Waibel,Guenter)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:33:44 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] MCN Board Elections - your input needed!
Message-ID: <AA3DCFAA4E87BD40BBAA507B1C36CC3D0228AFFF@OAEXCH4SERVER.oa.oclc.org>

Dear MCN members,

 

We'll have six open positions on the MCN Board of Directors this year, and we'd like your input on how to fill them. Last year, two of the three non-incumbent candidates on our slate came directly from your suggestions - your advice leads to actions!

 

Please let us know if there is someone who you think would make an excellent MCN board member - and that someone could even be yourself. No need to be shy! Recommendations that would diversify our board would be helpful - we're particularly interested in making sure that we have non-art museum candidates on our slate this year. However, any and all suggestions are welcome and appreciated, and will be reviewed by the board's Nominating Committee.

 

The deadline to get nominations to the committee is Friday, June 12. Please e-mail your suggestions to waibelg at oclc.org, rstein at imamuseum.org and rjurban at illinois.edu.

 

Sincerely,

G?nter Waibel (Chair), Rob Stein & Richard Urban

MCN Board Nominating Committee 


From ssbautista at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 17:24:43 2009
From: ssbautista at yahoo.com (Susana Bautista)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] Advice on advanced degree for museum technology
Message-ID: <780955.14888.qm@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Kristine: Here at the University of Southern California I'm working with someone at the Interactive Media Division in the Cinematic Arts School, a program that merges technology, the arts, and culture. I know they offer a Masters, but I'm not sure about a PhD. And they're very hands-on with regards to technology, some working with science museums. 
Good luck,
Susana

Susana Smith Bautista
Ph.D. Student and Provost Fellow
Annenberg School of Communication
University of Southern California


--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Zickuhr, Kristine <Kristine.Zickuhr at dva.state.wi.us> wrote:

> From: Zickuhr, Kristine <Kristine.Zickuhr at dva.state.wi.us>
> Subject: [MCN-L] Advice on advanced degree for museum technology
> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:23 PM
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Could anyone offer advice on an advanced degree that would
> helpful for
> working with emerging museum technology?? I've
> considered a Masters in
> Museum Studies but the curriculum seems too broad.?
> I'm a Registrar and
> I'm particularly interested in digital image standards,
> rotational
> photography, online databases, virtualization, etc.. We
> have IT staff at
> my current institution but I'd like to try to keep
> up.? I know enough to
> be dangerous, but that's about it!? 
> 
> Is anyone aware of a program that merges technology and the
> arts or
> humanities?? Or is there a straight technology degree
> or certificate
> that you would recommend instead?? An online degree or
> one offered in
> Wisconsin would be particularly helpful.? 
> 
> Thank you for your input.? 
> 
> Kristine Zickuhr
> Wisconsin Veterans Museum
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From sbrennan at gmu.edu  Tue Jun  2 13:34:28 2009
From: sbrennan at gmu.edu (Sheila Brennan)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:34:28 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] New Omeka Release
Message-ID: <018701c9e3c1$86fcd680$94f68380$@edu>

(I apologize for cross-postings)
 
Hi Folks, 
 
Wanted to let those interested in Omeka (http://omeka.org) that the newest
version, 1.0, has dropped along with new plugins that will allow you import
records, en masse, from a CSV file or via OAI-PMH.
 
Here's a quick summary of the newest features.  
http://omeka.org/blog/2009/06/02/omeka-10-drops-today/ 
We're really interested in how things go with the new importer/harvester
plugins, so please let us know on the forums (http://omeka.org/forums/) and
dev list discussions (http://groups.google.com/group/omeka-dev/).
 
Thanks!
Sheila 
 
 
________________________________
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Senior Digital History Associate
Center for History and New Media
George Mason University
703-879-8366
 <mailto:sbrennan at gmu.edu> sbrennan at gmu.edu 
 <http://chnm.gmu.edu/> http://chnm.gmu.edu

From dianezorich at comcast.net  Wed Jun  3 07:01:12 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:01:12 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG:  Wired article on Google Books Settlement
Message-ID: <p06200705c64c3125a691@[10.0.1.200]>

A slightly irreverant but factual FAQ on the GBS, from Wired.com....

The Fight over the Google of All Libraries: A Wired.com FAQ
by Ryan Singel
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/the-fight-over-the-worlds-greatest-library-the-wiredcom-faq/


In the spirit of Google, I offer below, a "snippet":

"16. Is the opposition to the settlement all about the so-called orphans?

Yes. There are more orphans than in a Dickens novel. Google won't say 
how many there are. But UC Berkeley Professor Pamela Samuelson 
estimates that 70 percent of books that are still in copyright have 
rights holders that can't be found."

-- 
Diane M. Zorich
113 Gallup Road
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA
Voice: 609-252-1606
Email:  dzorich at mindspring.com
or dianezorich at comcast.net

From psully at magnes.org  Wed Jun  3 11:21:53 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:21:53 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Archive, library, and museum metadata crosswalk
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DC413@jlm-net.jlm.local>

Hi everyone. I thought this might be of interest to some of you:

 

I finally got around to pulling together a concise list of the fields in
our CIS that map to EAD, MARC, and ISAD - in most cases, all three
standards, regardless of content type. We still have some tweaking to do
and alignment of fields between the content templates, but it's in a
pretty good state now, I think:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rI5A2IS3yxD9w2sGRa-aACw 

 

We don't currently have a standard in place for the museum materials.
Next step is to incorporate CDWA Lite and VRA into the mapping, using
the Getty's crosswalk:
http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/standards/intrometadat
a/crosswalks.html

 

Background: a year and a half ago, we decided to integrate our archive,
library, and museum materials into one collection information management
system, IDEA at ALM, and develop it in such a way as to allow us to export
any and all collection information types into any existing metadata
standard. Additionally, because there are shared fields between the
content types (using data input templates for each type of material), we
can search very easily across all materials at once.

 

If anyone has any recommendations or questions, please let me know! 

 

Perian Sully

Collections Information Manager

Web Programs Strategist

The Magnes

2911 Russell St.

Berkeley, CA 94705

Work: 510-549-6950 x 357

Fax: 510-849-3673

http://www.magnes.org

http://www.musematic.org

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org

 


From cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu  Wed Jun  3 13:05:04 2009
From: cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu (Cheryl Klimaszewski)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
 anthropoligical artifacts
In-Reply-To: <1461130735.181671244059403143.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
Message-ID: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>

I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Art and Artifacts Collection, where we have recently completed our initial migration of data from a disparate collection of Access databases to a formal collections management database. Ours is a diverse study collection that includes archaeological and anthropological artifacts as well as fine arts objects.  We're wondering how other collections are dealing with cataloging culture and nationality information for objects that have cultural groups as makers as opposed to individual, known makers (also, where the cultural group may or may not always correspond to the same geographical region).  Our concerns mainly center around objects of African and Native American origin.

Though we're most specifically interested in how this data is stored in the cataloging system (i.e. Is the culture/nationality of the object entered into a designated "culture/nationality" field? Is an artist/creator record created for the entire cultural group? etc.), any general comments on cataloging anthropological and archaeological collections are also welcome. If anyone has a perspective on this that they would like to share, even if it's of the "Oh my god, whatever you do, just don't do it this way" variety, we'd certainly appreciate it.

Good wishes,
Cheryl
-- 
Cheryl Klimaszewski
Collections Information Manager
Bryn Mawr College
101 North Merion Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
office 610-526-5093
cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu


From dianezorich at comcast.net  Wed Jun  3 13:46:51 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:46:51 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
 anthropoligical artifacts
In-Reply-To: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
References: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200710c64c90d6141e@[10.0.1.200]>

Cheryl,

  "Cataloging Cultural Objects:  A Guide to Describing Cultural Works 
and their Images" might offer some guidance here.  See: 
http://www.vrafoundation.org/ccoweb/index.htm.

Diane



>I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Art and Artifacts Collection, 
>where we have recently completed our initial migration of data from 
>a disparate collection of Access databases to a formal collections 
>management database. Ours is a diverse study collection that 
>includes archaeological and anthropological artifacts as well as 
>fine arts objects.  We're wondering how other collections are 
>dealing with cataloging culture and nationality information for 
>objects that have cultural groups as makers as opposed to 
>individual, known makers (also, where the cultural group may or may 
>not always correspond to the same geographical region).  Our 
>concerns mainly center around objects of African and Native American 
>origin.
>
>Though we're most specifically interested in how this data is stored 
>in the cataloging system (i.e. Is the culture/nationality of the 
>object entered into a designated "culture/nationality" field? Is an 
>artist/creator record created for the entire cultural group? etc.), 
>any general comments on cataloging anthropological and 
>archaeological collections are also welcome. If anyone has a 
>perspective on this that they would like to share, even if it's of 
>the "Oh my god, whatever you do, just don't do it this way" variety, 
>we'd certainly appreciate it.
>
>Good wishes,
>Cheryl
>--
>Cheryl Klimaszewski
>Collections Information Manager
>Bryn Mawr College
>101 North Merion Avenue
>Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
>office 610-526-5093
>cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu
>
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From robm at rom.on.ca  Wed Jun  3 14:03:51 2009
From: robm at rom.on.ca (Robert Mason)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:03:51 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological	
	andanthropoligical artifacts
In-Reply-To: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
References: <1461130735.181671244059403143.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
	<325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
Message-ID: <4A26ACF6.6BCF.0070.1@rom.on.ca>

We have such issues at the ROM, and have two approaches. For a group of fields we call "Output fields," which are used for such things as gallery labels, our "maker" field will include such things as artist(s), including dates if some people like that in their output, or manufacturers, or schools, or cultural-ethnographic groups, like band of origin, for example. It is the "lumping" who made it field - distinct from chronological-specific cultural designations which we put under a "Period" output field. No, really, it works. For what we call our "Data fields" we break everything down to very specific entries, with very specific fields. It's a long list. This involves some degree of duplication at times, but it is the only way to have data we can manipulate, and have output that makes sense across a variety of disciplines.
 
R.
 
 
_____________________________________________
Dr. Robert B. J. Mason (E-mail: robert.mason at rom.on.ca; fax (416) 586-5877)
Dept of World Cultures, Royal Ontario Museum, 100 Queen's Park, Toronto, Ontario, M5S 2C6, CANADA
Associate Professor, Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations, University of Toronto, 4 Bancroft Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, M5S 1C1, CANADA
web: http://www.utoronto.ca/nmc/mason/mason.html 

>>> Cheryl Klimaszewski <cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu> 6/3/2009 4:05 PM >>>
I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Art and Artifacts Collection, where we have recently completed our initial migration of data from a disparate collection of Access databases to a formal collections management database. Ours is a diverse study collection that includes archaeological and anthropological artifacts as well as fine arts objects.  We're wondering how other collections are dealing with cataloging culture and nationality information for objects that have cultural groups as makers as opposed to individual, known makers (also, where the cultural group may or may not always correspond to the same geographical region).  Our concerns mainly center around objects of African and Native American origin.

Though we're most specifically interested in how this data is stored in the cataloging system (i.e. Is the culture/nationality of the object entered into a designated "culture/nationality" field? Is an artist/creator record created for the entire cultural group? etc.), any general comments on cataloging anthropological and archaeological collections are also welcome. If anyone has a perspective on this that they would like to share, even if it's of the "Oh my god, whatever you do, just don't do it this way" variety, we'd certainly appreciate it.

Good wishes,
Cheryl
-- 
Cheryl Klimaszewski
Collections Information Manager
Bryn Mawr College
101 North Merion Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
office 610-526-5093
cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu 

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From pjohnson at skirball.org  Wed Jun  3 16:47:25 2009
From: pjohnson at skirball.org (Johnson, Peter)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:47:25 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Seeking advice on creating a storage inventory database
In-Reply-To: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
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	<325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
Message-ID: <2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4F1F@scc-mail.skirball.org>

Colleagues,

I too, come looking for guidance.

We are a small museum and cultural center, and we find ourselves in need
of a system to inventory and track paper documents - created by the
various departments.

Each department creates documents specific to its purpose, and has its
own filing terminology, although in this area there is a great deal of
overlap.  The overall goal for the inventory structure is the same:
place documents in labeled folders, put the folders in boxes, label the
boxes, add the boxes to the inventory, and store the boxes either on- or
off-site.

The goal is to create an inventory system that will be simple enough for
the  departments to use on their own, as we will not be adding staff to
do the work for them. We are strongly considering using Access for this
inventory database.

If you have worked with, or created, such a tracking system, I would be
interested in hearing from you, especially regarding what worked well,
what didn't work, pitfalls to avoid, etc.

I also would be interested in hearing about retention policies you
created or worked with regarding storing similar non-digital material.

If you have advice or documents that you are willing to share, please
reply to me privately in order to avoid cluttering up the list.

Many thanks for your time.

Peter

Peter Johnson
Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images
Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90049
310-440-4707
pjohnson at skirball.org



From talita_castro at yahoo.com.br  Wed Jun  3 19:09:42 2009
From: talita_castro at yahoo.com.br (talita de castro miranda)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
	anthropoligical artifacts
Message-ID: <796543.65553.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hei, Cheryl

do you know Afridoc? 
See at: http://icom.museum/afridoc/index.html

I think it's a very usefull guideline for catologuing archaeological and anthropological artifacts.


talita miranda
museu de folclore edison carneiro. rio de janeiro/ brasil
email: talita_castro at yahoo.com.br

--- Em qua, 3/6/09, Cheryl Klimaszewski <cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu> escreveu:

De: Cheryl Klimaszewski <cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu>
Assunto: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and anthropoligical artifacts
Para: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Data: Quarta-feira, 3 de Junho de 2009, 17:05

I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Art and Artifacts Collection, where we have recently completed our initial migration of data from a disparate collection of Access databases to a formal collections management database. Ours is a diverse study collection that includes archaeological and anthropological artifacts as well as fine arts objects.? We're wondering how other collections are dealing with cataloging culture and nationality information for objects that have cultural groups as makers as opposed to individual, known makers (also, where the cultural group may or may not always correspond to the same geographical region).? Our concerns mainly center around objects of African and Native American origin.

Though we're most specifically interested in how this data is stored in the cataloging system (i.e. Is the culture/nationality of the object entered into a designated "culture/nationality" field? Is an artist/creator record created for the entire cultural group? etc.), any general comments on cataloging anthropological and archaeological collections are also welcome. If anyone has a perspective on this that they would like to share, even if it's of the "Oh my god, whatever you do, just don't do it this way" variety, we'd certainly appreciate it.

Good wishes,
Cheryl
-- 
Cheryl Klimaszewski
Collections Information Manager
Bryn Mawr College
101 North Merion Avenue
Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
office 610-526-5093
cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu

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From ewg4xuva at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:26:43 2009
From: ewg4xuva at gmail.com (Ethan Gruber)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:26:43 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
	anthropoligical artifacts
In-Reply-To: <796543.65553.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <796543.65553.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05f60f80906031926x56cdc6e7s1ea466a0542638a3@mail.gmail.com>

I have used Encoded Archival Description (EAD) to describe numismatic
collections and will be discussing the prospect of applying EAD to other
artistic objects at the University of Virginia Art Museum.  VRA Core is one
of the accepted XML standards for dealing with artistic artifacts, but
Categories for the Description of Works of Art (CDWA) is also out there.  I
have a paper in the upcoming Computer Applications and Quantitative Methods
in Archaeology (CAA) proceedings about EAD for numismatic collections (and
broadly art museum collections).  For other approaches to dealing with
cultural heritage and archaeological data, you should check out CAA
proceedings for the last several years.  CAA is *the *conference for
computer archaeology, and various groups have put a lot of thought into the
management of cultural heritage information.  The PDF containing the
abstracts from CAA 2009 is at
http://caa2009.org/CAA2009_CompletePrelimProgram030409.pdf .  There are a
few papers relevant to this issue coming out in the proceedings.

As for a collections management *database,* all I can say is that most
organizations approach the data management of this sort of complex
information in XML schemas.  Databases are too rigid to adequately describe
archaeological and artifactual data.

Ethan Gruber
University of Virginia Art Museum

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, talita de castro miranda <
talita_castro at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> hei, Cheryl
>
> do you know Afridoc?
> See at:
> http://icom.museum/http://caa2009.org/Images/Download.gifafridoc/index.html<http://icom.museum/afridoc/index.html>
>
> I think it's a very usefull guideline for catologuing archaeological and
> anthropological artifacts.
>
>
> talita miranda
> museu de folclore edison carneiro. rio de janeiro/ brasil
> email: talita_castro at yahoo.com.br
>
> --- Em qua, 3/6/09, Cheryl Klimaszewski <cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu>
> escreveu:
>
> De: Cheryl Klimaszewski <cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu>
> Assunto: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
> anthropoligical artifacts
> Para: mcn-l at mcn.edu
> Data: Quarta-feira, 3 de Junho de 2009, 17:05
>
> I'm writing from the Bryn Mawr College Art and Artifacts Collection, where
> we have recently completed our initial migration of data from a disparate
> collection of Access databases to a formal collections management database.
> Ours is a diverse study collection that includes archaeological and
> anthropological artifacts as well as fine arts objects.  We're wondering how
> other collections are dealing with cataloging culture and nationality
> information for objects that have cultural groups as makers as opposed to
> individual, known makers (also, where the cultural group may or may not
> always correspond to the same geographical region).  Our concerns mainly
> center around objects of African and Native American origin.
>
> Though we're most specifically interested in how this data is stored in the
> cataloging system (i.e. Is the culture/nationality of the object entered
> into a designated "culture/nationality" field? Is an artist/creator record
> created for the entire cultural group? etc.), any general comments on
> cataloging anthropological and archaeological collections are also welcome.
> If anyone has a perspective on this that they would like to share, even if
> it's of the "Oh my god, whatever you do, just don't do it this way" variety,
> we'd certainly appreciate it.
>
> Good wishes,
> Cheryl
> --
> Cheryl Klimaszewski
> Collections Information Manager
> Bryn Mawr College
> 101 North Merion Avenue
> Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
> office 610-526-5093
> cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu
>
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From ewg4xuva at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 05:11:16 2009
From: ewg4xuva at gmail.com (Ethan Gruber)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:11:16 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Seeking advice on creating a storage inventory database
In-Reply-To: <2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4F1F@scc-mail.skirball.org>
References: <1461130735.181671244059403143.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
	<325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
	<2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4F1F@scc-mail.skirball.org>
Message-ID: <a05f60f80906040511p2f495bdfhbf9a6faafa548a8d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

What information are you interested in recording about the documents and
their organization and what is the general level of computer proficiency
within your organization?

Ethan Gruber
University of Virginia Library

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Johnson, Peter <pjohnson at skirball.org>wrote:

> Colleagues,
>
> I too, come looking for guidance.
>
> We are a small museum and cultural center, and we find ourselves in need
> of a system to inventory and track paper documents - created by the
> various departments.
>
> Each department creates documents specific to its purpose, and has its
> own filing terminology, although in this area there is a great deal of
> overlap.  The overall goal for the inventory structure is the same:
> place documents in labeled folders, put the folders in boxes, label the
> boxes, add the boxes to the inventory, and store the boxes either on- or
> off-site.
>
> The goal is to create an inventory system that will be simple enough for
> the  departments to use on their own, as we will not be adding staff to
> do the work for them. We are strongly considering using Access for this
> inventory database.
>
> If you have worked with, or created, such a tracking system, I would be
> interested in hearing from you, especially regarding what worked well,
> what didn't work, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
>
> I also would be interested in hearing about retention policies you
> created or worked with regarding storing similar non-digital material.
>
> If you have advice or documents that you are willing to share, please
> reply to me privately in order to avoid cluttering up the list.
>
> Many thanks for your time.
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Johnson
> Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images
> Skirball Cultural Center
> 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd.
> Los Angeles, CA 90049
> 310-440-4707
> pjohnson at skirball.org
>
>
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From maburns at uci.edu  Thu Jun  4 08:17:37 2009
From: maburns at uci.edu (Maureen Burns)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:17:37 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Fwd: [ARLIS-L] Call for Papers: ARLIS/NA 38th Annual
 Conference (Boston, MA) - Deadline: June 22, 2009
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090604081258.03a7e050@uci.edu>

Please excuse the cross-posting, but here is the call for papers for 
the ARLIS/N conference in Boston April 22-27, 2010. With the recent 
discussion about advanced degrees useful for museum technology, MCN 
members might find this conference to be particularly useful to 
better understand the lay of the land.

Best regards,
Maureen

>ARLIS/NA 38th Annual Conference - Call for Papers
>
>Revolution and Innovation: At the Hub of Discovery
>
>The ARLIS/NA 38th Annual Conference will explore revolution and 
>innovation within art librarianship and visual resources 
>librarianship as new technologies, economic changes and other 
>factors transform our profession.  Rapid change creates 
>opportunities to embrace new ways of exploring the issues librarians 
>face daily.  How have you responded to the changes in the 
>information landscape?  What innovative methods have you developed 
>to resolve the problems that have arisen from all these new 
>developments?  How have collaborations amongst colleagues, peers, 
>institutions and more changed how you work?
>
>Individuals are invited to submit proposals for papers that provoke 
>critical exchange and debate as well as practical advice and 
>solutions in relation to the broad thematic areas referred to below. 
>Submissions are encouraged that support opportunities for 
>interaction between participants and enable the conference to engage 
>in a truly interdisciplinary exchange of ideas and viewpoints.
>
>Individuals wishing to contribute paper abstract proposals for the 
>ARLIS/NA 38th Annual Conference must submit a 250 word abstract for 
>review by the Conference Program Committee. All abstracts must be 
>submitted electronically using the online form available below.
>
>The abstract submission deadline is June 22, 2009. Abstracts 
>received after the submission deadline will automatically be placed 
>on the waiting list
>
>Abstract guidelines can be found in the online submission 
>form.  Incomplete abstracts will not be reviewed.
>
>Thematic Areas
>
>The following themes have been identified as the main interests of 
>conference attendees from the conference evaluation and planning 
>surveys.  The themes are purposefully broad.  The questions have 
>been written to prompt and suggest possible platforms for discussion 
>and debate. The Program Committee welcomes responses that extend and 
>develop these themes in areas that will engage attendees in sharing 
>different perspectives and provoke speculation about the future 
>direction and development of art librarianship in the twenty first century.
>
>Future of Art and Visual Resources Librarianship
>    * As academic institutions look to cut their budgets, will 
> art/architecture/visual resources libraries become merged with main 
> libraries? Is this an opportunity?
>    * Digital libraries and repositories will begin taking advantage 
> of full text searchability. Where do catalogers fit into this new 
> view of access?
>    * Considering today's tight budgets, how much metadata is enough 
> when working with less support?
>    * How do you increase your visibility on campus?  What novel 
> ways do you advocate for your library's services?
>    * How have you developed grant proposals for projects in your 
> library?  What were the challenges and what surprised you?
>    * How do you satisfy customers in an increasingly 24/7 instant 
> access world?  What do you do differently?
>    * Going beyond statistics, how do you know that you are 
> providing patrons with the services and resources that they want? 
> What are some inventive and successful measures that your library 
> has taken to determine patron satisfaction?
>    * Do corporate or business customer service practices such as 
> "secret shoppers" have a place in libraries?  Have any libraries 
> used any of these methods successfully?
>Collection Development
>    * In light of the current economic climate, what strategies have 
> you developed to provide quality resources for your community?
>    * How do we provide access to information and ideas that are 
> being created in technologies that have not been traditionally 
> supported by libraries?  How do we preserve that knowledge?
>    * Is this an opportunity for collaborative collection 
> development? Why or why not will collaborative collection 
> development take root?
>    * How do libraries balance fulfilling the patron's desire for 
> digital content with the realities of the heavily print nature of 
> art, architecture and design publishing?
>Emerging Technologies
>    * How have you successfully created solutions using emerging 
> technologies such as open source programs, mobile technologies, 
> mashups and more?
>    * Taking advantage of new technologies, what unique projects 
> have you successfully collaborated on with your colleagues 
> (library, IT, etc.)?
>Reference and Instruction
>    * With reduced staffing, who should be answering questions at 
> the reference desk?
>    * What are some strategies being employed by libraries to 
> provide reference and instruction to distance students/faculty?
>    * How have libraries developed instruction that integrates into 
> the studio culture?
>    * How are information and visual literacy programs being 
> successfully integrated into curricula?
>Visual Resources
>    * The value of visual resources libraries is being questioned in 
> some institutions.  What are the strategies that can be employed to 
> educate institutions and administrators about the value of such 
> collections?  How do you promote these collections to faculty and 
> students who prefer Flickr databases and web searching?
>    * Are there new paradigms for the building of and access to 
> visual collections that we should be moving towards?
>Please submit your abstract by following this link: 
><http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=yzQS2txK78auP5kfgmiIjQ_3d_3d>http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=yzQS2txK78auP5kfgmiIjQ_3d_3d. 
>
>
>If you have any questions, please contact the Program 
>Co-Chairs:  Jennifer Friedman, MIT 
>(<mailto:jrfried at mit.edu>jrfried at mit.edu) and Ann Whiteside, MIT 
>(<mailto:awhites at mit.edu>awhites at mit.edu).
>
>
>With regards,
>
>Jennifer Friedman, on behalf of the Program Committee
>
>Program Committee
>
>Jennifer Friedman, MIT, Program Co-Chair
>Ann Whiteside, MIT, Program Co-Chair
>Susanne Javorski, Wesleyan University
>Kathy Ritter
>Deb Verhoff, Art Institute of Boston at Lesley College
>Whitney Vitale, Boston Architectural College
>
>__________________________________________________
>Jennifer Friedman, Collections Manager and Public Services Librarian
>Rotch Library of Architecture and Planning
>Building 7-238, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>77 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139
>Tel: (617) 258-5595    Fax: (617) 253-9331
>__________________________________________________________________ 
>Mail submissions to arlis-l at lsv.uky.edu For information about 
>joining ARLIS/NA see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send 
>administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) 
>to listserv at lsv.uky.edu ARLIS-L Archives and subscription 
>maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may 
>be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: jdyki at cranbrook.edu

Maureen A. Burns, Ed.D.
Humanities Curator
Visual Resources Collection
61 Humanities Instructional Building
University of California
Irvine, CA 92697-3375
949-824-8027 phone
949-824-4298 fax
MABURNS at UCI.EDU

From maburns at uci.edu  Thu Jun  4 11:28:08 2009
From: maburns at uci.edu (Maureen Burns)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:28:08 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Fwd: [ARLIS-L] Call for Sessions for ARLIS/NA 2010 in
 Boston, MA
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20090604112703.03c01318@uci.edu>

A follow-up clarification on the ARLIS call for Boston below. This 
should allow for even more flexibility if MCN members would like to 
participate.
Best wishes,
Maureen

>We are not doing a Call for Sessions for ARLIS/NA in Boston.  We 
>have instead sent out a separate Call for Papers and Call for Workshops.
>
>WHAT IS A CALL FOR PAPERS?
>
>The Call for Papers will be looking for individual proposals for 
>papers on thematic areas.  The call does not ask for a fully 
>finished paper or even a published paper.  It asks for a 250 word 
>abstract about the topic you'd like to present.
>
>We are not accepting proposals for whole sessions.
>
>HOW CAN I MAKE MY SESSION IDEA INTO A PAPER?
>
>    * Take one of the ideas you have for a speaker and submit an 
> abstract about the topic.
>    * Take one of your ideas and find someone who'd be interested in 
> speaking on that topic and ask them to submit an abstract.
>    * Take one of your ideas and ask on ARLIS-L if anyone is 
> interested in submitting an abstract on that topic.
>    * If you already had a session with different speakers in mind, 
> contact those people and ask them to submit abstracts along similar 
> topic lines.
>There's no rules against coordinating!  But we also don't guarantee 
>that you will be placed together!
>
>HOW WILL YOU ORGANIZE THE PAPERS?  HOW WILL SESSIONS BE CREATED?
>
>The Program Committee and the CPAC will review the ideas for papers 
>and group the papers into sessions.  In the early fall, there will 
>be a Call for Moderators.  The moderators will work on the 
>individual sessions, working with speakers to ensure that they will 
>present in the time allotted, work with the conference planning 
>committee to obtain appropriate AV equipment, etc.  This will give 
>members another opportunity to be involved with the conference.  At 
>that time, there will also be a Call for Poster Sessions, which will 
>give us more flexibility to address some of the topics that arise 
>after the sessions have been set, such as projects and other topics 
>of interest.  It also gives more time to the membership to think 
>about the things they'd like to share with their colleagues.
>
>WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS CHANGE?
>
>We've analyzed the data from the two surveys we sent to ARLIS-L 
>about the conference, and we've noticed some trends that we've 
>incorporated into our program planning.  You indicated that you 
>wanted high-quality sessions, and you've also indicated that you'd 
>like to see changes in how sessions are structured and more variety 
>in session lengths.  More people would have liked opportunities to 
>be involved in the sessions, but the process is not always clear at times.
>
>As a result, we're doing something different for this conference!
>
>I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS!
>
>If you have any questions, please contact the Program Co-Chairs, 
>Jennifer Friedman (<mailto:jrfried at mit.edu>jrfried at mit.edu) or Ann 
>Whiteside (<mailto:awhites at mit.edu>awhites at mit.edu).
>
>__________________________________________________
>Jennifer Friedman, Collections Manager and Public Services Librarian
>Rotch Library of Architecture and Planning
>Building 7-238, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>77 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139
>Tel: (617) 258-5595    Fax: (617) 253-9331
>__________________________________________________________________ 
>Mail submissions to arlis-l at lsv.uky.edu For information about 
>joining ARLIS/NA see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send 
>administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) 
>to listserv at lsv.uky.edu ARLIS-L Archives and subscription 
>maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may 
>be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: jdyki at cranbrook.edu

Maureen A. Burns, Ed.D.
Humanities Curator
Visual Resources Collection
61 Humanities Instructional Building
University of California
Irvine, CA 92697-3375
949-824-8027 phone
949-824-4298 fax
MABURNS at UCI.EDU

From cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu  Thu Jun  4 12:31:14 2009
From: cklimaszew at brynmawr.edu (Cheryl Klimaszewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] Cataloging culture/nationality for archaeological and
 anthropoligical artifacts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244142002.28817.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <2073871009.413461244143874264.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>

Many, many thanks to everyone who offered suggestions about my previous post on the finer points of cataloging archaeological and anthropological artifacts - I've got tons to work with here.  I learn things from this list on a daily basis and am appreciative of the time people spend crafting really informative responses.

Good wishes all around,
Cheryl

From maburns at uci.edu  Fri Jun  5 07:54:12 2009
From: maburns at uci.edu (Maureen Burns)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:54:12 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] VRA White Paper
Message-ID: <p0624080bc64ee1d74a8a@[192.168.1.100]>

Greetings MCN Members:

In response to the current economic climate that has impacted the 
institutions where our visual resources facilities reside, the VRA 
Board has asked me to form an authoring group (see below) to produce 
a white paper that will not only address salient issues but also 
suggest options for dealing with the evolving visual resources 
landscape. This document will demonstrate that visual resources 
professionals and the facilities they manage actively contribute to 
an institution's mission and technological future by providing 
necessary expertise, assets, services and learning spaces.

The VRA Board along with a cadre of reviewers from the visual 
resources community, affiliated organizations (ARLIS, CAA, MCN, etc.) 
and beyond will be enlisted to comment on the draft to ensure it is 
useful and will resonate with faculty, administrators and others 
outside the visual resources profession.

As a first step, we are presently trying to think through ideal VRC 
scenarios in academic departments/schools, transferring operations to 
libraries, diversifying by adding IT and/or AV responsibilities, or 
adjusting roles in museum contexts. To help us with this work, we 
encourage image professionals who have been engaged in redefining 
their role and that of their facility to share their experience by 
contacting Elizabeth Schaub by June 10th,  who will be focused on the 
case studies section of the paper; in addition, she may communicate 
the information you provide to the appropriate workers in the 
authoring group who may want to dialog with you.

We are drafting this document over the next month in order to make 
the information available as soon as possible. If you need 
information sooner or have any suggestions, questions, or concerns 
about this white paper process, please contact Maureen Burns.

Authoring group members and their respective white paper focus:
:: Maureen Burns (<mailto:maburns at uci.edu>maburns at uci.edu)
Humanities Curator, Visual Resources Collection
University of California, Irvine
focus: VRCs in academic departments/schools

:: Rebecca Moss (<mailto:mossx014 at umn.edu>mossx014 at umn.edu)
Visual Resources Coordinator, Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
focus: VRC's integrated into IT units

:: Meghan Musolff (<mailto:musolffm at umich.edu>musolffm at umich.edu)
Assistant Coordinator, Visual Resources Collections, History of Art Department
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
focus: VRCs in academic departments/schools

:: Alex Nichols (<mailto:nicho135 at msu.edu>nicho135 at msu.edu)
Academic Technology Coordinator, Department of Art and Art History
Michigan State University, East Lansing
focus: Diversifying by adding IT and/or AV responsibilities

:: Henry Pisciotta (<mailto:hap10 at psulias.psu.edu>hap10 at psulias.psu.edu)
Arts and Architecture Librarian
Pennsylvania State University
focus: VRCs integrated into university libraries

:: Elizabeth Schaub 
(<mailto:eschaub at uts.cc.utexas.edu>eschaub at uts.cc.utexas.edu)
Visual Resources Collection Director, School of Architecture
University of Texas at Austin
Focus: Case studies

:: Betha Whitlow (<mailto:bwhitlow at artsci.wustl.edu>bwhitlow at artsci.wustl.edu)
Curator of Visual Resources, Department of Art History and Archaeology
Washington University in St. Louis
Focus: VRCs within museums

-- 
Maureen Burns, Ed.D.
Humanities Curator
Visual Resources Collection
University of California, Irvine
92697-3375
949-824-8027 ph
949-824-4298 fx
maburns at uci.edu
www.arts.uci.edu/vrc/
http://vrc.ucr.edu/luci/index.html

From Hannah_Blake at nps.gov  Fri Jun  5 08:40:30 2009
From: Hannah_Blake at nps.gov (Hannah_Blake at nps.gov)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:40:30 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Question to Post, Re: Electronic Meeting Options
Message-ID: <OF6378C551.F03B5A28-ON852575CC.00543A0B-852575CC.00561B10@nps.gov>


Hello,

I work for a geographically large National Heritage Area within which are
many organizations including museums.  While face-to-face meetings are
always valuable, it's been difficult to attract participation from
throughout our 500 mile-long Corridor for some of the shorter workshops and
meetings.  Therefore, I'm exploring conference-calling and on-line meeting
options.  I'd be extremely grateful if I could benefit from existing
research especially explorations that have been done by more tech-savvy
people than me!

Here are some of the features that I'd like to have:

   Access by 50+ people at a time
   Low cost
   Simple for everyone with a computer or phone to participate (not
   requiring downloads if possible, etc.)
   mechanism for facilitation by us to prevent everyone from talking over
   each other

Thanks for any assistance the group can provide!

Hannah

Hannah Blake
Director of Planning and Heritage Development
Erie Canalway National Heritage Corridor
P.O. Box 219
Waterford, NY  12188

(518) 237-7000, ext. 202
(518) 237-7640 (fax)
www.eriecanalway.org


From dianezorich at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 09:09:02 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:09:02 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Question to Post, Re: Electronic Meeting Options
Message-ID: <p06200705c64ef394f2b5@[10.0.1.200]>

Hannah,

You might want to look at a "webinar"  format (for an example, see 
AAM's webinar offerings...). Also, the Smithsonian recently held an 
online conference (on Abraham Lincoln -  see 
http://www.smithsonianconferences.org/) which pulled in teachers and 
others from around the country to learn about the latest in Lincoln 
research.   I hear it was a great success.

Good luck,

Diane


>Hello,
>
>I work for a geographically large National Heritage Area within which are
>many organizations including museums.  While face-to-face meetings are
>always valuable, it's been difficult to attract participation from
>throughout our 500 mile-long Corridor for some of the shorter workshops and
>meetings.  Therefore, I'm exploring conference-calling and on-line meeting
>options.  I'd be extremely grateful if I could benefit from existing
>research especially explorations that have been done by more tech-savvy
>people than me!
>
>Here are some of the features that I'd like to have:
>
>    Access by 50+ people at a time
>    Low cost
>    Simple for everyone with a computer or phone to participate (not
>    requiring downloads if possible, etc.)
>    mechanism for facilitation by us to prevent everyone from talking over
>    each other
>
>Thanks for any assistance the group can provide!
>
>Hannah
>
>Hannah Blake
>Director of Planning and Heritage Development
>Erie Canalway National Heritage Corridor
>P.O. Box 219
>Waterford, NY  12188
>
>(518) 237-7000, ext. 202
>(518) 237-7640 (fax)
>www.eriecanalway.org
>
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-- 
Diane M. Zorich
113 Gallup Road
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA
Voice: 609-252-1606
Email:  dzorich at mindspring.com
or dianezorich at comcast.net

From lists at rlweiner.com  Fri Jun  5 09:13:06 2009
From: lists at rlweiner.com (Robert Weiner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:13:06 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Question to Post, Re: Electronic Meeting Options
In-Reply-To: <OF6378C551.F03B5A28-ON852575CC.00543A0B-852575CC.00561B10@nps.gov>
References: <OF6378C551.F03B5A28-ON852575CC.00543A0B-852575CC.00561B10@nps.gov>
Message-ID: <0984A249B2CC45608D1414609CC61388@RLWT400>

Dear Hannah,

Here's a blog post from Earthjustice's IT director about their
videoconferencing project:
http://unearthed.earthjustice.org/2009/05/flying-in-place-videoconferencing.
html

I'm sure he'd be happy to answer questions.  Here's his personal blog site
with contact info:
http://www.techcafeteria.com/

Robert
__________________________
 
Robert L. Weiner Consulting
Strategic Technology Advisors to Nonprofit and Educational Institutions
San Francisco, CA
 
robert at rlweiner.com
415/643-8955 
 
www.rlweiner.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Hannah_Blake at nps.gov
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 AM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Question to Post, Re: Electronic Meeting Options


Hello,

I work for a geographically large National Heritage Area within which are
many organizations including museums.  While face-to-face meetings are
always valuable, it's been difficult to attract participation from
throughout our 500 mile-long Corridor for some of the shorter workshops and
meetings.  Therefore, I'm exploring conference-calling and on-line meeting
options.  I'd be extremely grateful if I could benefit from existing
research especially explorations that have been done by more tech-savvy
people than me!

Here are some of the features that I'd like to have:

   Access by 50+ people at a time
   Low cost
   Simple for everyone with a computer or phone to participate (not
   requiring downloads if possible, etc.)
   mechanism for facilitation by us to prevent everyone from talking over
   each other

Thanks for any assistance the group can provide!

Hannah

Hannah Blake
Director of Planning and Heritage Development
Erie Canalway National Heritage Corridor
P.O. Box 219
Waterford, NY  12188

(518) 237-7000, ext. 202
(518) 237-7640 (fax)
www.eriecanalway.org

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From dreiling at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 00:10:00 2009
From: dreiling at mac.com (Christopher Dreiling)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:10:00 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
In-Reply-To: <5CF048364B79B24694B5430B00F92C1C01FB1168D9@MAIL02.clevelandart.org>
References: <025C34E61656DF4B89B345C25F9155810EB2721621@WACEXCHVC.walkerart.biz>
	<5CF048364B79B24694B5430B00F92C1C01FB1168D9@MAIL02.clevelandart.org>
Message-ID: <62D86D5D-8642-4EF0-AD60-0B70075E9886@mac.com>

What about reducing bandwidth capacity at the skype port level on the  
firewall, I assume that you are running a managed system.

Chris


On May 30, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Holly Witchey wrote:

> Couldn't live without it!
>
> Holly M. Witchey, Ph.D.
> Director of New Media Initiatives
> The Cleveland Museum of Art
> 11150 East Blvd.
> Cleveland, Ohio 44106
> Telephone: 216-707-2653
> Email: hwitchey at clevelandart.org
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> Do you allow Skype in your institution? I?ve been arguing for its  
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> others are using it, policies, tales of compromised networks as a  
> result of peer-to-peer apps, any relevant or related info you're  
> willing to share.
>
> Robin Dowden
> Director, New Media Initiatives
> Walker Art Center
> 1750 Hennepin Avenue
> Minneapolis, MN 55403
> USA
>
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> F: 612.375.7575
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From marco.deniet at den.nl  Mon Jun  8 06:03:08 2009
From: marco.deniet at den.nl (Marco de Niet)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:03:08 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] Final week Call for proposals DISH2009
Message-ID: <66E4984ED123AA4B85031AB80E75E94B10EEE0@server01.den.nl>

== Apologies for cross-posting ==

**Due to the original tight deadline, the Call for Proposals for the conference Digital Strategies for Heritage (DISH2009) will be extended until 15 June 2009. **

DIGITAL STRATEGIES FOR HERITAGE (DISH2009)
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE,
ROTTERDAM, NETHERLANDS, 8-10 DECEMBER 2009

What is DISH2009?
Digital Strategies for Heritage (DISH) is a new bi-annual international
conference on digital heritage and the opportunities it offers to cultural
organisations. Triggered by changes in society, heritage organisations
face many challenges and need to make strategic decisions about their
services. DISH2009 aims at sharing knowledge about and experiences with
digital strategies. What roles do cultural heritage institutions have in a
networked society? What is the impact of digitisation on these
organisations? Why are certain digital services more successful than
others? Which business models are suited to the cultural heritage sector?
Why would archives, museums and libraries co-operate? These are some of
the questions that will be addressed in keynotes, presentations, debates
and workshops.

Who benefits from DISH2009?
The conference will be for all staff of cultural heritage institutions
that are responsible for policy issues and/or management of digital
collections and services. The conference will enable participants to learn
more about strategic decisions on all aspects of digital heritage
services.

How can you contribute?
The Programme Committee seeks contributions from professionals in
archives, museums, libraries and other heritage institutions and from
researchers or innovators outside the heritage field. The contribution can
be a paper presentation (max. 25 minutes) or a workshop (either 2 hours or
half day).


The paper or workshop should address one of the following main conference
topics:
* Strategies for innovation:
Digital heritage in mash-ups
Enhanced interoperability
Access to cultural heritage through visualisation (3d, gaming etc.)
>From secured playgrounds into the open web
Open everything (standards, source, ID etc.)
Services and tools: always in a beta stage?


* Strategies for collaboration
Opportunities for on line collaboration
The value of interdisciplinary co-operation (culture, science and
business)
The relevance of national and regional portals
User involvement
The role of the creative industries

* Strategies for the unwired future
Heritage on mobile devices
Culture on the map / Geoweb
Locative media
Interfacing for crossmedia


* Business strategies
New roles versus old roles
Understanding use patterns
Changing perspectives on collections
Hybrid business models
Achieving sustainability and permanent access
>From crowd sourcing to crowd funding
Cost reduction through shared services
Restrictions and opportunities through IPR


* Management strategies
Creating favorable conditions for innovation
The impact of the digital front office on the back office
Managing your digital assets
Measuring your digital collections
Investing in staff competencies

If you would like to contribute to the conference, please submit a
proposal, which consists of an abstract (max. 400 words in English) and a
short bio, *before 15th June 2009*. We welcome any contributions that are
based on research or experience and that 'look beyond the hypes'. The
abstract should address how heritage institutions have responded or should
respond to changes triggered by ICT. Further instructions are available on
the online Conference Proposal Submission Form at www.dish2009.nl.

Who is organising DISH2009?
DISH2009 builds on a series of successful national conferences on digital
heritage in the Netherlands (2004-2008). The main organisers of the
conference are the Netherlands Institute for Heritage and the DEN
foundation. The Programme Committee consists of representatives from
Europeana, the Association of European Research Libraries LIBER, the
Flemish interface centre for cultural heritage FARO, Virtueel Platform
(Netherlands Sector Institute for e-culture) and the EU-project
PrestoPrime. A group of experts across the globe advices the Programme
Committee. See http://www.dish2009.nl <https://webmail.den.nl/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=https://webmail.den.nl/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=https://webmail.den.nl/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.dish2009.nlfor>  for more information.

Questions?
Please contact:
Marco de Niet
Director
The DEN Foundation
P.O. Box 90407
2509 LK The Hague
The Netherlands
+31 70 3140 343
marco.deniet[at]den.nl



From jeff_steward at harvard.edu  Mon Jun  8 06:47:02 2009
From: jeff_steward at harvard.edu (Jeff Steward)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:47:02 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Workflow Software
Message-ID: <000901c9e83f$9ab61e20$4b54f78c@huam.harvard.edu>

Apologies for cross-posting. Our collections management team is
investigating workflow software. Their requirements are below. Ideally we
are looking for a Java, web based solution. If anyone has implemented
something similar or has done any investigation into workflow software your
input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

------------------------------------------

Dear colleagues,

As our museum moves away from a model where curatorial staff manage their
own storage spaces to one where Collections Management facilitates access to
storage, we have begun to look about for an existing work flow application
to integrate with our TMS database. Ideally this application would
facilitate art handling requests, formalizing the process beyond email/phone
calls/hallway conversations to provide our curatorial and conservation staff
with a user-friendly solution for their requests. Specifically we envision
staff using the application to refer to TMS object packages when making
requests for object 
movement/installation/mounts/study appointments, etc. Requests would trigger
email(s) to the appropriate staff and create a secure, manageable list with
deadlines for our chief preparator to oversee. Does anyone have any
recommendations for an out-of-the-box or home grown system that they would
be willing to share? We would be most grateful!

Best wishes,

Dorothy D?vila
Associate Registrar for Collections

Harvard Art Museum
32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
www.harvardartmuseum.org 



------------------------------------------
Jeff Steward
Digital Information and Technology Department 
617-495-0785
jeff_steward at harvard.edu

Harvard Art Museum
32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
www.harvardartmuseum.org


From proctorn at si.edu  Mon Jun  8 07:51:14 2009
From: proctorn at si.edu (Proctor, Nancy)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:51:14 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Electronic Meetings & Skype mcn-l Digest, Vol 45,
	Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244314802.1856.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <C6529DA2.5C5B%proctorn@si.edu>

Hannah: 
I just gave my first online conference paper through the
HandheldConference.org event on June 3, run by Learning Times. My experience
of the technology (Adobe Connect) was superb, and I've heard nothing but
praise from the attendees, of whom there were over 200. I think this is in
no small part thanks to the organizers/administrators being masters of their
tools. You can contact them at LearningTimes.org

Robin: 
As you probably know, the Federal Gov't doesn't allow skype but
interestingly enough, nor do many big companies, e.g. Discovery. A huge
shame and waste of money on phone charges in my opinion. Their concern is
security. We used to use it at Antenna and never had a security problem. I
use it for interviewing people for MuseumMobile.info and it works great. I
hope you'll be able to use it as well; it is a great business tool for so
many things...

Nancy


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> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Question to Post, Re: Electronic Meeting Options
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> Dear Hannah,
> 
> Here's a blog post from Earthjustice's IT director about their
> videoconferencing project:
> http://unearthed.earthjustice.org/2009/05/flying-in-place-videoconferencing.
> html
> 
> I'm sure he'd be happy to answer questions.  Here's his personal blog site
> with contact info:
> http://www.techcafeteria.com/
> 
> Robert
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> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I work for a geographically large National Heritage Area within which are
> many organizations including museums.  While face-to-face meetings are
> always valuable, it's been difficult to attract participation from
> throughout our 500 mile-long Corridor for some of the shorter workshops and
> meetings.  Therefore, I'm exploring conference-calling and on-line meeting
> options.  I'd be extremely grateful if I could benefit from existing
> research especially explorations that have been done by more tech-savvy
> people than me!
> 
> Here are some of the features that I'd like to have:
> 
>    Access by 50+ people at a time
>    Low cost
>    Simple for everyone with a computer or phone to participate (not
>    requiring downloads if possible, etc.)
>    mechanism for facilitation by us to prevent everyone from talking over
>    each other
> 
> Thanks for any assistance the group can provide!
> 
> Hannah
> 
> Hannah Blake
> Director of Planning and Heritage Development
> Erie Canalway National Heritage Corridor
> P.O. Box 219
> Waterford, NY  12188
> 
> (518) 237-7000, ext. 202
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> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:10:00 -0700
> From: Christopher Dreiling <dreiling at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> What about reducing bandwidth capacity at the skype port level on the
> firewall, I assume that you are running a managed system.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Holly Witchey wrote:
> 
>> Couldn't live without it!
>> 
>> Holly M. Witchey, Ph.D.
>> Director of New Media Initiatives
>> The Cleveland Museum of Art
>> 11150 East Blvd.
>> Cleveland, Ohio 44106
>> Telephone: 216-707-2653
>> Email: hwitchey at clevelandart.org
>> ________________________________________
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>> Subject: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
>> 
>> Do you allow Skype in your institution? I?ve been arguing for its
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>> about misuse and security issues. I?m interested in hearing how/if
>> others are using it, policies, tales of compromised networks as a
>> result of peer-to-peer apps, any relevant or related info you're
>> willing to share.
>> 
>> Robin Dowden
>> Director, New Media Initiatives
>> Walker Art Center
>> 1750 Hennepin Avenue
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>> USA
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From SSmith at getty.edu  Mon Jun  8 13:29:08 2009
From: SSmith at getty.edu (Stanley Smith)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:29:08 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L]  Workflow Software
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244487602.6463.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1244487602.6463.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <4A2D1224.0319.00B6.0@getty.edu>

We use WorkHorse.  http://www.whgroup.us/  We have integrated this with TMS, and can easily import object packages into the WorkHorse flow.  It is very powerful web based software that uses Cold Fusion at its core.  It does have e-mail reporting, as well as a good report generator.
 
 
 
Stanley Smith
Manager, Imaging Services
J. Paul Getty Museum
1200 Getty Center Drive,  Suite 1000
Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
(310) 440-7286


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:47:02 -0400
From: "Jeff Steward" <jeff_steward at harvard.edu>
Subject: [MCN-L] Workflow Software
To: <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

Apologies for cross-posting. Our collections management team is
investigating workflow software. Their requirements are below. Ideally we
are looking for a Java, web based solution. If anyone has implemented
something similar or has done any investigation into workflow software your
input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

------------------------------------------

Dear colleagues,

As our museum moves away from a model where curatorial staff manage their
own storage spaces to one where Collections Management facilitates access to
storage, we have begun to look about for an existing work flow application
to integrate with our TMS database. Ideally this application would
facilitate art handling requests, formalizing the process beyond email/phone
calls/hallway conversations to provide our curatorial and conservation staff
with a user-friendly solution for their requests. Specifically we envision
staff using the application to refer to TMS object packages when making
requests for object 
movement/installation/mounts/study appointments, etc. Requests would trigger
email(s) to the appropriate staff and create a secure, manageable list with
deadlines for our chief preparator to oversee. Does anyone have any
recommendations for an out-of-the-box or home grown system that they would
be willing to share? We would be most grateful!

Best wishes,

Dorothy D?vila
Associate Registrar for Collections

Harvard Art Museum
32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
www.harvardartmuseum.org 



------------------------------------------
Jeff Steward
Digital Information and Technology Department 
617-495-0785
jeff_steward at harvard.edu 

Harvard Art Museum
32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
www.harvardartmuseum.org 



------------------------------


From JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au  Mon Jun  8 17:29:04 2009
From: JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au (JonathanC at ag.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:29:04 +1000
Subject: [MCN-L] Who manages your social media presence?
In-Reply-To: <C6386896.858C%mhk@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <OF46A48ECB.9046AA57-ONCA2575D0.0002705E-CA2575D0.0002AB3E@ag.nsw.gov.au>


Our Marketing Department recently created a temporary position for looking
after most of our social media (Facebook, Flickr, YouTube, Delicious,
Twitter), as well as podcasts, audio-tours and some online video. We also
have a more targeted Twitter-feed and blog associated with an annual
student exhibition, which is looked after by our Senior Coordinator of
Education Programs (within the Public Programs Department). As this aspect
of our online presence expands, I expect other staff, in other departments,
to become involved as well.

So, who manages it OVERALL? At the moment, that's unclear. Who SHOULD
manage it? Good question! :-) I believe it should definitely be an
audience/content expert from the 'web team'.

Jonathan Cooper
Manager of Information / Website
Art Gallery of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia
http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
http://doctordada.com/

>To: "mcn-l at mcn.edu" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
>From: Melissa Kinkley <mhk at uchicago.edu>
>Sent by: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu
>Date: 05/20/2009 04:40AM
>Subject: [MCN-L] Who manages your social media presence?
>
>Dear all,
>In your museum, does your PR/Marketing staff manage your presence on
>flickr,
>youtube, facebook, your blogs, etc. or someone else? If you have one,
>how
>does your New Media team interface with PR/Marketing?
>
>Thanks,
>Melissa
>
>
>Melissa H. Kinkley
>Manager of New Media & Family Interpretation
>
>Smart Museum of Art
>University of Chicago
>5550 S. Greenwood Ave.
>Chicago, IL 60637
>ph. 773.702.2362
>fax 773.702.3121
>
>http://smartmuseum.uchicago.edu

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From mjosephy at activatekulture.com  Tue Jun  9 00:00:37 2009
From: mjosephy at activatekulture.com (Meira Josephy)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:00:37 +0300
Subject: [MCN-L] electronic meetings
Message-ID: <7B4D309F-4436-4CB8-9FE1-2D492F9790D4@activatekulture.com>

icohere is used by CHIN for its communities of practice and NMC has  
used it in the past for conferences.

You might also want to look at epresence, which is open source  
software developed at University of Toronto. I believe they provide  
hosting options and hardware packages as well.

Meira Josephy
Activate Kulture
www.activatekulture.com

From dianezorich at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 05:02:33 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:02:33 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG:  Orphan works - report from UK
Message-ID: <p06200701c653fe73cab2@[10.0.1.2]>

FYI --

John MacColl of RLG Programs/OCLC has an interesting blog post that 
discusses a newly released UK report on orphan works (with a 
wonderful John LeCarre-like title:   "In From the Cold").  He also 
mentions a new RLG Programs initiative for libraries and archives 
entitled "Introduce Balance in Rights Management".

See "The scale of orphan relief" at hangingtogether.org
http://hangingtogether.org/?p=704

Diane


-- 
Diane M. Zorich
113 Gallup Road
Princeton, NJ 08542 USA
Voice: 609-252-1606
Email:  dzorich at mindspring.com
or dianezorich at comcast.net

From tim at kairosphoto.com  Wed Jun 10 10:34:16 2009
From: tim at kairosphoto.com (Tim Atherton)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:34:16 -0600
Subject: [MCN-L] Success with Web 2.0 requires risk
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-723117-264546-2009.05.19-18.16.21--tim#kairosphoto.com@forums.archivists.org>
Message-ID: <JOEDIIAOJNCLFHGHOMKKKEDCMAAA.tim@kairosphoto.com>

On an archives list I'm on, there was a recent back and forth discussion about the role and purpose and usage of their organisational Facebook and  recalling similar (although often more heated and confused) discussions about Web 2.0 ideas and concepts in institutions, I was encouraged to find the following rather good article about Government Departments and the adoption of Web 2.0 projects.

While it is about Government Departments, you could apply most of it to almost any top down institution - big or small.

http://fcw.com/articles/2009/06/08/feature-social-media-government.aspx

  "Social-media gurus often sound like Zen masters when they try to explain their discipline to initiates or skeptics. 
  To take control, give up the illusion of control.

  Learn from your audience and embrace the unexpected.

  Failure is one of the surest signs of success. 

  Social-media pioneers and proponents from government, academia and industry gathered in Williamsburg, Va., last month at the Government Leadership Summit, which was sponsored by the 1105 Government Information Group, the parent company of Federal Computer Week. 

  Many of their conversations focused on the paradoxical nature of tools like Twitter and Facebook. It?s not that social media defies logic, like a Zen riddle. But its logic does not necessarily fit easily into government?s traditional models of governance. 

  Agencies typically take a top-down approach to deploying new applications, with a central office providing the resources and defining specific rules of engagement. That won?t cut it with social media, which works best at the grass-roots of an organization.

  Successful deployments involve a push-pull balance between the two. Agency officials need to define basic goals and parameters for the use of social media, but they also need to let an application take on a life of its own.

  This way of thinking is a challenge for the federal workforce, said Robert Carey, chief information officer of the Navy Department and one of the first federal CIOs to have an official blog. Some guidance might be needed ?to get us out of this very bureaucratic structure into a more collaborative, flat environment,? Carey said. "... more above 


Almost everything in the article is reflected in my own recent experience when I was involved in some exercises about "re-visioning" or "re-imaging" an institution. There were lots of good ideas (though most introduced from the top down) about making everything more customer/client oriented, about moving from being a top-down to being a bottom-up organisation, about moving  from unilateral decision making to shared decision making, from "management" to "leadership" and so on.

And in the whole process Web 2.0 came up. Lots of excitement about the potential. Lots of verbal commitment that this was a way to go to open up the institution, help bring it into the 21st Century etc etc. 

Excited as I was by the potential in all this, the cynic in me managed to sneak out and... I asked if we were really committed at all levels to what this would involve. Did people realise what this would involve to put these ideas into effect and follow through with them. I was assured we as an institution were committed.

Several months later my caution was justified. The institution hadn't truly taken into account what the whole thing - especially the web 2.0 social networking aspects - would involve. While staff (especially - but not only - younger staff) were were keen to engage with it all, management at all levels were too entrenched in the traditional hierarchical mould to take the risks involved. Essentially it ended up in a place where, for example, every facebook entry or action, every blog post or twitter etc would have to be "cleared". Nothing could be even close to being off-message The result was the whole idea of any kind of renewal was pretty much stifled - there was no risk taking creativity, no interaction with new constituencies and certainly no wish to encounter external dissenting views.Unfortunately, the organisation was enable to relinquish control to the extent that would allow the new directions to flourish. 



btw, there is a second article here on business and Web 2.0 which compliments all this from a slightly different direction - The Jazz of Social Media

http://www.jeneane.net/?p=74

  The problem is that while traditional marketers and MBAs and HR folk understand what it feels like to ?broadcast their message,? they don?t know what it feels like to ?jam,? to play with micromarkets in an already-in-progress composition, an evolving melody, on the market?s own stage, in the customer?s own house...


And if you are looking for a fairly simple way to explain Web 2.0 and the move into Web 3.0, I also came across this - Web 3.0 for dummies:

http://thenextweb.com/2008/06/26/web30-for-dummies/

http://www.slideshare.net/freekbijl/web-30-explained-with-a-stamp

http://www.slideshare.net/freekbijl/web-30-explained-with-a-stamp-pt-ii



Might not agree with it 100%, but it is quite clearly set out:

From ABotman at mus-nature.ca  Wed Jun 10 10:38:27 2009
From: ABotman at mus-nature.ca (Anne Botman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:38:27 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] CMS - Drupal users?
Message-ID: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>

Hello,

Who is using Drupal as their CMS?

We are considering it and I would appreciate talking to folks with practical
experience and how they find it. In particular, I would love to know if
anyone uses it to produce bilingual sites and if there are any known issues
or things to watch out for?

Thanks for any advice!

Cheers,

Anne

__________________________
Anne Botman
Head, Web Services / Chef, Services Web
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature

Tel: 613.566.4243
Email: abotman at mus-nature.ca
Web: http://nature.ca


From srothman at fas.harvard.edu  Wed Jun 10 11:16:16 2009
From: srothman at fas.harvard.edu (Steve Rothman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:16 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] CMS - Drupal users?
In-Reply-To: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
References: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
Message-ID: <4A2FF870.1090403@fas.harvard.edu>

Hi Anne,

We just redid our web site using Drupal   http://peabody.harvard.edu

We're not doing any bilingual pages yet so I can't comment on that, but 
Drupal comes from the Netherlands and is popular all over Europe, so I 
have to expect that they can handle it well.

It isn't easy, but what is?  The code is free and there are lots of 
freelance developers that can work with it, so you're not chained to a 
particular consultant or company that are the only ones who can support you.

If you go here:
   http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_search/museum

you'll see information about Drupal being used for museums.

Good luck. -Steve


> Hello,
>
> Who is using Drupal as their CMS?
>
> We are considering it and I would appreciate talking to folks with practical
> experience and how they find it. In particular, I would love to know if
> anyone uses it to produce bilingual sites and if there are any known issues
> or things to watch out for?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> __________________________
> Anne Botman
> Head, Web Services / Chef, Services Web
> Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
> Tel: 613.566.4243
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From dnilsen at ccp.library.arizona.edu  Wed Jun 10 11:30:25 2009
From: dnilsen at ccp.library.arizona.edu (Nilsen, Dianne)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:30:25 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Advice on advanced degree for museum technology
In-Reply-To: <F5E0A083FF83794AA2656DC008CDF35303357533@dvamexs2.wdva.gov>
References: <mailman.1.1243537202.6156.mcn-l@mcn.edu>,
	<F5E0A083FF83794AA2656DC008CDF35303357533@dvamexs2.wdva.gov>
Message-ID: <D8828B9129050541AF4256CD00D50EC9232144A3@Smethurst.library.arizona.edu>

This program might be of interest for you, Kristine, as you investigate online degrees that aim to bridge technology and museum/library professions.  Feel free to contact me if it looks interesting as I'm in the program.


Best,
Dianne


Dianne Nilsen
Head of Digital Initiatives and Imaging
Center for Creative Photography
The University of Arizona

dnilsen at ccp.library.arizona.edu
diannenilsen at msn.com


-------------------------
June 2009 - For immediate release
The University of Arizona Digital Information Management (DigIn) Certificate
program is currently accepting applications for Fall '09. IMLS scholarships are
available.
-------------------------
The University of Arizona School of Information Resources and Library Science is
pleased to announce that openings are available in the school's graduate
certificate program in Digital Information Management (DigIn), and that
scholarships are available for students entering the program in Fall 2009.
DigIn combines intensive, hands-on technology learning and a strong grounding in
the theoretical principles needed to manage large-scale digital collections in a
fast-changing environment. The program supports a wide range of professional
careers involving digital collections, including but not limited to libraries,
archives, and museums.
Graduate certificates are increasingly being recognized as a means for
information professionals with advanced degrees to enhance their knowledge and
technology skills. DigIn is also open to professionals who are new to the field
and who may be considering a masters-level education in the future.
The program is delivered 100% online and has no residency requirements. Students
generally complete the certificate in four or six semesters (15 months or 27
months).
DigIn now accepts applications before the start of the Summer, Fall, or Spring
semesters. The application deadline for Fall '09 is July 1. Late applications
will be accepted, although we cannot guarantee admission for the fall semester.
DigIn was developed in cooperation with the Arizona State Library, Archives and
Public Records and the University of Arizona Outreach College. Major funding
for the program comes from the U.S. Institute of Museum and Library Services
(IMLS), which has also provided scholarship funding.
Additional details on the program including course descriptions, admissions
requirements and application forms may be found on the program website:
digin.arizona.edu
Applicants may also contact the DigIn staff at:
digin at email.arizona.edu.
-------------------------


________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Zickuhr, Kristine [Kristine.Zickuhr at dva.state.wi.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:23 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Advice on advanced degree for museum technology

Hi everyone,

Could anyone offer advice on an advanced degree that would helpful for
working with emerging museum technology?  I've considered a Masters in
Museum Studies but the curriculum seems too broad.  I'm a Registrar and
I'm particularly interested in digital image standards, rotational
photography, online databases, virtualization, etc.. We have IT staff at
my current institution but I'd like to try to keep up.  I know enough to
be dangerous, but that's about it!

Is anyone aware of a program that merges technology and the arts or
humanities?  Or is there a straight technology degree or certificate
that you would recommend instead?  An online degree or one offered in
Wisconsin would be particularly helpful.

Thank you for your input.

Kristine Zickuhr
Wisconsin Veterans Museum
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From RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org  Wed Jun 10 14:13:49 2009
From: RealW at CarnegieMuseums.Org (Real, Will)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:13:49 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Online collections and content management systems
In-Reply-To: <4A2FF870.1090403@fas.harvard.edu>
References: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
	<4A2FF870.1090403@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <04EFDDC9208D114890720783D4924BEB19C2FCC2@EXCHANGE-4.Private.CarnegieMuseums.Org>

Later this year or next we will be implementing a content management
system for our web site. Currently we do not plan to content-manage our
online collections search. It would run on its own, with its own
separate underlying database. But I've lately been wondering whether
this is the best approach (though it is certainly simpler and less
expensive, at least in the short run). 

Do some of you run your online collections through your cms? Yes or no,
was this a conscious decision and if so what was the rationale?

Will Real
Carnegie Museum of Art
Pittsburgh, PA

From aridavidow at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 18:27:24 2009
From: aridavidow at gmail.com (Ari Davidow)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] CMS - Drupal users?
In-Reply-To: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
References: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
Message-ID: <747cfaf50906101827p20729930we4bc15265f90c4e4@mail.gmail.com>

Drupal comes with some amazing tools that facilitate maintaining a
bi-lingual site. You effectively can have several versions of each
page, as well as of menus and templates set up for different
languages. These can be invoked automatically when the default
language of the browser matches, or visitors can use the conventional
buttons (e.g., a button at the top of each page to switch to the other
language - "Spanish" when the "English" version is shown; then the
opposite). The system also makes it easy NOT to have the entire
website translated, so some pages may only be in one language or the
other.

ari

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anne Botman<ABotman at mus-nature.ca> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Who is using Drupal as their CMS?
>
> We are considering it and I would appreciate talking to folks with practical
> experience and how they find it. In particular, I would love to know if
> anyone uses it to produce bilingual sites and if there are any known issues
> or things to watch out for?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> __________________________
> Anne Botman
> Head, Web Services / Chef, Services Web
> Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
> Tel: 613.566.4243
> Email: abotman at mus-nature.ca
> Web: http://nature.ca
>
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From rjstein at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 18:46:48 2009
From: rjstein at gmail.com (Robert Stein)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:46:48 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] CMS - Drupal users?
In-Reply-To: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
References: <C65567D3.11B8C%ABotman@mus-nature.ca>
Message-ID: <fd24b3c20906101846m426efa9du11ea9902ef58ffdd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anne,

At the Indianapolis Museum of Art, we have used Drupal extensively for
almost three years now.  We currently run our main website (
www.imamuseum.org) on a Drupal framework and have developed many smaller
exhibition micro-sites as standalone Drupal installs.

In addition we have done a ton of development and extension of Drupal to do
somethings which are pretty out of the ordinary for the run-of-the-mill
content management system.

Some Examples:

* Our Dashboard tool (an open-source statistics tool for museums) which
features a bit of a different user-interface layout and about 40 authors
from the museum.

* We built a custom project management tool called Athena, which we've used
in-house for about 18 months now.  This is integrated with our collection
management system, digital asset management tools, and does all the typical
file, task, project blogging, etc...

* ArtBabble.org is an HD streaming video website with a lot of back-end
customizations built all on top of Drupal.  It also happens to run entirely
in the cloud using Amazon's Web Services tool.

The Drupal community has been great, and there are a lot of benefits for a
choice in this direction.  Of course, there is no perfect tool... and each
of these sites was a lot of work, but Drupal really worked for us, and not
against us!

We'd love to answer any more questions either online or in person if you're
interested.

Sincerely,

Rob Stein
Chief Information Officer
Indianapolis Museum of Art

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anne Botman <ABotman at mus-nature.ca> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Who is using Drupal as their CMS?
>
> We are considering it and I would appreciate talking to folks with
> practical
> experience and how they find it. In particular, I would love to know if
> anyone uses it to produce bilingual sites and if there are any known issues
> or things to watch out for?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> __________________________
> Anne Botman
> Head, Web Services / Chef, Services Web
> Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
> Tel: 613.566.4243
> Email: abotman at mus-nature.ca
> Web: http://nature.ca
>
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From psully at magnes.org  Thu Jun 11 15:27:33 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:27:33 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] MediaWiki help
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DC724@jlm-net.jlm.local>

Hi everyone:

 

I'm wrestling with trying to figure out the best way to organize our
MediaWiki installation and make the pages findable by our users
(currently, a total of 15 people - our staff). We're using the wiki for
helping us develop and outline our workflows, but a lot of users are
having trouble finding the pages, or knowing the full scope of
information available on the wiki.

 

SO. I want to have a list of all of the pages currently created, with a
link in the sidebar. I finally figured out how to modify the sidebar,
but I can't figure out what link I would use to point to an index
showing all of the pages currently created. Is this automatically
generated by MediaWiki or something I need to create manually and update
as each page is created?

 

Based on the bits of information I've been able to find about this, I'm
also thinking I will need to define some Categories. But I'm not sure
how to start going about that. Do I need to install a plugin to allow us
to add Category Tags, or is it a settings thing? Likewise, would the
Portal:Categories page be automatically generated?

 

I don't have the language to even know how to search for answers so
maybe one of you has already done this... Thanks once again in advance
for your help.

 

Perian Sully

Collections Information Manager

Web Programs Strategist

The Magnes

2911 Russell St.

Berkeley, CA 94705

Work: 510-549-6950 x 357

Fax: 510-849-3673

http://www.magnes.org

http://www.musematic.org

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org

 


From psully at magnes.org  Thu Jun 11 16:06:51 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:06:51 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] MediaWiki help
In-Reply-To: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DC724@jlm-net.jlm.local>
References: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DC724@jlm-net.jlm.local>
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DC730@jlm-net.jlm.local>

Ok, and as often happens as soon as I ask a question, I stumble across a
search term that gets me the answer!

So, to answer my own question (and to help anyone else who is trying to
organize their own wiki), here's what I had to do:

Look at all of the pages in Special:AllPages and then, within the text
of each page, insert [[Category:NAME]] to create the category tag. To
view all of the categories, go to Special:Categories

And yes, they're all automatically generated. Thank goodness!

~P


-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Perian Sully
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:28 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] MediaWiki help

Hi everyone:

 

I'm wrestling with trying to figure out the best way to organize our
MediaWiki installation and make the pages findable by our users
(currently, a total of 15 people - our staff). We're using the wiki for
helping us develop and outline our workflows, but a lot of users are
having trouble finding the pages, or knowing the full scope of
information available on the wiki.

 

SO. I want to have a list of all of the pages currently created, with a
link in the sidebar. I finally figured out how to modify the sidebar,
but I can't figure out what link I would use to point to an index
showing all of the pages currently created. Is this automatically
generated by MediaWiki or something I need to create manually and update
as each page is created?

 

Based on the bits of information I've been able to find about this, I'm
also thinking I will need to define some Categories. But I'm not sure
how to start going about that. Do I need to install a plugin to allow us
to add Category Tags, or is it a settings thing? Likewise, would the
Portal:Categories page be automatically generated?

 

I don't have the language to even know how to search for answers so
maybe one of you has already done this... Thanks once again in advance
for your help.

 

Perian Sully

Collections Information Manager

Web Programs Strategist

The Magnes

2911 Russell St.

Berkeley, CA 94705

Work: 510-549-6950 x 357

Fax: 510-849-3673

http://www.magnes.org

http://www.musematic.org

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org

 

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From benr at cogapp.com  Fri Jun 12 04:23:01 2009
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:23:01 +0100
Subject: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
In-Reply-To: <65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD898E@fs2.NLEM.int>
References: <025C34E61656DF4B89B345C25F9155810EB2721621@WACEXCHVC.walkerart.biz>	<65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD898A@fs2.NLEM.int>	<307ABFF8E627124A8D6449D1292A162E24F155@cma-srv-xch-01.cmaohio.org>
	<65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD898E@fs2.NLEM.int>
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A late contribution...

On 29/5/09 19:42, Thomas Deliduka wrote:
 > I'm a little confused. Why would Skype need to run down someone's pipe only
 > to jump back out again in a way of utilizing bandwidth for other calls? That
 > seems quite inefficient to take a detour in routing of a telephone call.

I thought so too - I thought the P2P stuff was just about distributing 
directory information, and didn't think that could be very much data. 
However, I just came across something else and think that I now understand why 
Sype would do exactly the above.

One of the key advantages of Skype that allowed it to become such a success is 
that it pretty much 'just works' - you didn't need to have the knowledge or 
authority to adjust your firewall etc to get it to working.

If I understand correctly, the P2P stuff is part of how they get round NAT 
(network address translation) issues.  In order for a Skype user behind one 
NAT to talk to a second Skype user behind another NAT, they find a patsy^H^H^H 
third user on a publicly routable address, and bounce their call off that user 
- precisely running down that third user's pipe and back out again.

My naive and uninformed assumption is that most users are behind NATs, and 
that the poor saps who are running Skype and not behind a NAT must be carrying 
a lot of traffic for the rest of us.  Not least because Skype also say that 
they keep multiple paths open and dynamically switch between them to increase 
call quality.  I'm surprised if many institutions have networks that would 
allow their bandwidth to be used in that way, but I only have a bluffer's 
understanding of these things, so perhaps there are some setups which although 
NAT'd are vulnerable to this sort of thing.  And obviously the clever people 
who designed Skype were looking for all the loopholes they could exploit to 
make it work.

I'm reminded of the analogy from (I think) Bruce Schneier in another context: 
"A 'firewall friendly' protocol is like a skull friendly bullet".

Ben

On 29/5/09 21:48, David Salovesh wrote:
> I probably misspoke in saying each user donates spare capacity.
> 
> The role of a Skype "supernode" is to serve as the directory and router for other users, in lieu of Skype operating their own centrally managed servers.  Any Skype user ("node") can become a supernode given the right conditions which are supposed to include spare processor and connection capacity and a routable public IP address.  That didn't apply to us, but I still saw outrageous bandwidth consumption that correlated with the presence of Skype.
> 
> I guess I can't explain why Skype was so bandwidth-hungry for us, but removing it and banning its re-installation resolved the problem.  I suppose that - like anything else - if you are considering using it you might want to do thorough testing before committing to its adoption.
> 
> Dave Salovesh 
> Information Technology Manager
> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Deliduka
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 2:43 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
> 
> I'm a little confused. Why would Skype need to run down someone's pipe only to jump back out again in a way of utilizing bandwidth for other calls? That seems quite inefficient to take a detour in routing of a telephone call.
> 
> Thomas Deliduka
> Director of Information Technology
> Columbus Museum of Art
> 480 East Broad Street
> Columbus, OH 43215
> ph 614/629-0345 fax 614/629-0950
> thomas.deliduka at cmaohio.org
>  
> ART SPEAKS. JOIN THE CONVERSATION
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of David Salovesh
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:51 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
> 
> Ad-hoc Skype is explicitly banned here.  It may return someday as an organizational initiative, but we're still trying to figure out what the benefit would be for us.  (We have sponsored phone service and have virtually no international communication requirements, so our economics may not be typical.)
> 
> It wasn't always this way - I allowed it for a while.  I originally had to ban it because we were short on bandwidth, and some folks couldn't resist using it in ways that completely overwhelmed our connection.  That led to a temporary suspension of Skype use pending system analysis, improvements, and re-analysis.  After we upgraded our connection I discovered the more troubling property of Skype traffic that led to the current outright ban:
> 
> As I understand it, Skype can exist as a "free" service because each user donates spare bandwidth to carrying calls for other users.  For home or home-like use that's probably okay since the bandwidth Skype sees as idle is probably actually so.  In an enterprise or enterprise-like setting, the individual Skype clients don't do as good a job at measuring excess capacity.
> 
> My previous service was SDSL at 1.5 mbps, and with 45 people in the office our utilization was over 95% at all times.  My second site users were essentially unable to work, and even main site users were losing patience.  After the upgrade to 10 mbps (metro-Ethernet), my typical utilization went to 20% (peaking at 90%, but only occasionally and briefly - as it should be) and my remote users were very satisfied.  But after installing Skype, even with no active calls and the software sitting "idle", my utilization went back up to 90%.
> 
> I searched for workarounds or ways to manage its bandwidth consumption, but it's not really designed for managed operation - or may even be designed to work AROUND management.  It definitely is designed to work around firewall restrictions, so my technological means to block the traffic were somewhat limited.
> 
> On the bright side, this sequence of events raised the consequences of installing software without approval from "it'll piss off the IT department" to "you could get fired for it".  ;-)
> 
> Dave Salovesh 
> Information Technology Manager
> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Dowden, Robin
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] do you Skype?
> 
> Do you allow Skype in your institution? I've been arguing for its legitimacy as a business tool but our IT department is concerned about misuse and security issues. I'm interested in hearing how/if others are using it, policies, tales of compromised networks as a result of peer-to-peer apps, any relevant or related info you're willing to share.
> 
> Robin Dowden
> Director, New Media Initiatives
> Walker Art Center
> 1750 Hennepin Avenue
> Minneapolis, MN 55403
> USA
> 
> T: 612.375.7541
> F: 612.375.7575
> walkerart.org



From trashbin1954 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 12 07:38:53 2009
From: trashbin1954 at yahoo.com (Patrick)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] New York Botanical Garden- LAMP Programmer/Analyst Position
Message-ID: <787065.14858.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The New York Botanical Garden is recruiting a mid-level LAMP developer to assist in creating & modifying information systems?supporting Science, Horticulture, Education and general business missions.
?
For a full job description and instructions for submitting your resume, please see http://www.nybg.org/footer/employment_listings_results.php?id_employment_listings=691
?
?
Information Systems Programmer/Analyst
?
Basic Job Functions
Under the technical direction of the IS Development & Integration Manager, participate in developing, integrating, implementing & administering a range of custom-built and packaged information systems used by The New York Botanical Garden.
?
Specific Duties & Responsibilities
* Work as part of a team to modify, develop and support systems to serve NYBG?s proprietary business and information needs.
* Participate in system analysis and planning activities.
* Code, modify and test applications using a variety of technologies and environments including but not limited to: LAMP, XML, XHTML, Delphi, JavaScript, post-Relational, SQL, and web services.
* Implement and test new database system development and integrations with existing information systems.
* Document systems design, develop training material and deliver training.
* Train systems and network administrators to respond to Helpdesk and support tasks for these software packages and customized systems
* Self-manage a continuous learning cycle to incorporate new skills.
* Other duties as assigned
Qualifications
* Bachelor degree or equivalent in an information technology development related field.
* 5 years or more relevant experience in software or system development, at least 3 years of which is specific to SQL-driven web-enabled processes and includes extensive modification of legacy systems
* Knowledge of business systems operations and support (such as retail, financial, CRM, e-commerce, etc). Demonstrated ability to quickly learn and apply specifics of new business systems.
* Knowledge and experience in application and database administration and support.
* Demonstrated ability to do advanced script and query modification and development using XML, PHP, Delphi, Javascript, XHTML, Post-relational, SQL, and similar environments.
* Highly developed customer service skills and attitude, superior communication skills, a personable support manner, patience, resourcefulness, reliability, and a commitment to excellence.


      

From pjohnson at skirball.org  Fri Jun 12 10:26:47 2009
From: pjohnson at skirball.org (Johnson, Peter)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:26:47 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] my records management question, much refined
In-Reply-To: <4A323A95.1040900@cogapp.com>
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	<4A323A95.1040900@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <2A6CDDE8F1CB5D428E7CA6014794A58201EA4F50@scc-mail.skirball.org>


Colleagues (including any vendor reps who may be lurking here!),

Now that I have more fully defined my question, I'd like to post again
and see if anyone can poke holes in it.

We are devising a records management strategy for the storage of paper
documents in folders in bankers' boxes. We are a small cultural center
and museum with no need (or plan) to share our records, as they are
strictly in-house.

The plan we are considering consists of creating an Access database as
an inventory and finding aid for this material, and as EAD seems far too
complicated for our needs, we are considering using Dublin Core metadata
fields to populate the Access database.

I'd be interested in hearing from you privately if:

You have undertaken a similar project (it doesn't have to have been in
Access) and have warnings or encouraging things to say about the effort;

You have comments regarding the viability and use of Access for such a
project;

You have comments regarding the use of Dublin Core;

Or (especially) if you see major holes in our proposed strategy.

Thank you very much for your time.

Peter


Peter Johnson
Project Manager for Records, Documents & Images
Skirball Cultural Center
2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90049
310-440-4707
pjohnson at skirball.org


From rcherry at balboaparkonline.org  Mon Jun 15 15:29:11 2009
From: rcherry at balboaparkonline.org (Rich Cherry)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:29:11 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] CMS - Drupal users?
Message-ID: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DAD1CB6@MAILR005.mail.lan>

Anne,

The Balboa Park Online Collaborative has recently selected Drupal as the CMS platform it will be developing on for its 17 members.  In part, we selected this system because of its increasing popularity within the wider museum community as well as a strong local Drupal community.  A quick search indicates a local group in Ottawa: http://groups.drupal.org/ottawa ... we have engaged our local community and have started hosting the San Diego Drupal User Group meeting and have had lots of interest from that community, including offers to volunteer.  

We currently have 4 sites queued up for development in the next few months and we will be releasing a few pieces to the community over the next 6 months that may be of interest to you:

.	A Drupal-based framework for a museum website calendaring system that allows the aggregation of multi-institution event- and program-based calendar items as well the importation of external calendar items into individual site calendars.
.	A museum-focused Drupal-based system for the registration of event, class and program attendees.

Since we have a number of different museums sites that we are working on including a Natural History Museum I think some of these might be very useful for you.

Rich

Rich Cherry
Director
Balboa Park Online Collaborative
A Project of the Benbough Operating Foundation
2131 Pan American Plz
San Diego, CA 92101
B: (619) 819-8331
F: (619) 819-8230
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anne Botman <ABotman at mus-nature.ca> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Who is using Drupal as their CMS?
>
> We are considering it and I would appreciate talking to folks with
> practical
> experience and how they find it. In particular, I would love to know if
> anyone uses it to produce bilingual sites and if there are any known issues
> or things to watch out for?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> __________________________
> Anne Botman
> Head, Web Services / Chef, Services Web
> Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
>
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> Email: abotman at mus-nature.ca
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From chris_deangelis at harvard.edu  Tue Jun 16 14:04:01 2009
From: chris_deangelis at harvard.edu (Chris De Angelis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:04:01 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Online collections and content management systems
Message-ID: <3A474DB72083443F85B049F15EE7B4A5@huam.harvard.edu>

We here at the Harvard Art Museum recently launched a new website utilizing
a CMS.  Our collections search tool was also reimplemented to integrate with
this CMS, and thereby the rest of the website, but the collections data
continues to be managed through our TMS system, in its own database.  So
while the collections search runs as a "module" of the content management
system, none of the data it exposes is actually managed through that system.

 

Although I was not part of the decision making process, it was a conscious
decision to implement things this way, and here are some of the reasons I'm
aware of:

-          to make the collections search stand out as a more visible part
of the overall website

-          to allow tighter linkage between the collections search and other
types of content, such as events, exhibitions, etc. (though this may not be
fully realized yet)

-          to use styling, or "look and feel" that's consistent between the
collections search and the rest of the site

 

I imagine that if you wanted to use the CMS for content management on the
collections data, you would have to devise a way to keep your web-exposed
data consistent with whatever you currently use to manage the collections
data.

 

Chris

 

------

Chris De Angelis

Java Applications Developer

617-495-9535

chris_deangelis <mailto:chris_deangelis at harvard.edu>  at harvard.edu

 

Harvard Art Museum

32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138

www.harvardartmuseum.org

 

Original Message:

> Later this year or next we will be implementing a content management
> system for our web site. Currently we do not plan to content-manage our
> online collections search. It would run on its own, with its own
> separate underlying database. But I've lately been wondering whether
> this is the best approach (though it is certainly simpler and less
> expensive, at least in the short run). 
>
> Do some of you run your online collections through your cms? Yes or no,
> was this a conscious decision and if so what was the rationale?
>
> Will Real
> Carnegie Museum of Art
> Pittsburgh, PA

 


From cathryng at Princeton.EDU  Tue Jun 16 14:07:39 2009
From: cathryng at Princeton.EDU (Cathryn Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:07:39 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Online collections and content management systems
In-Reply-To: <3A474DB72083443F85B049F15EE7B4A5@huam.harvard.edu>
References: <3A474DB72083443F85B049F15EE7B4A5@huam.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <85A35CF72F0592499E91363FB21589670299E4B5@EXCLUSTER.pu.win.princeton.edu>

Chris,

What CMS do you use?

Thanks
cathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Chris De Angelis
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:04 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Online collections and content management systems

We here at the Harvard Art Museum recently launched a new website
utilizing
a CMS.  Our collections search tool was also reimplemented to integrate
with
this CMS, and thereby the rest of the website, but the collections data
continues to be managed through our TMS system, in its own database.  So
while the collections search runs as a "module" of the content
management
system, none of the data it exposes is actually managed through that
system.

 

Although I was not part of the decision making process, it was a
conscious
decision to implement things this way, and here are some of the reasons
I'm
aware of:

-          to make the collections search stand out as a more visible
part
of the overall website

-          to allow tighter linkage between the collections search and
other
types of content, such as events, exhibitions, etc. (though this may not
be
fully realized yet)

-          to use styling, or "look and feel" that's consistent between
the
collections search and the rest of the site

 

I imagine that if you wanted to use the CMS for content management on
the
collections data, you would have to devise a way to keep your
web-exposed
data consistent with whatever you currently use to manage the
collections
data.

 

Chris

 

------

Chris De Angelis

Java Applications Developer

617-495-9535

chris_deangelis <mailto:chris_deangelis at harvard.edu>  at harvard.edu

 

Harvard Art Museum

32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138

www.harvardartmuseum.org

 

Original Message:

> Later this year or next we will be implementing a content management
> system for our web site. Currently we do not plan to content-manage
our
> online collections search. It would run on its own, with its own
> separate underlying database. But I've lately been wondering whether
> this is the best approach (though it is certainly simpler and less
> expensive, at least in the short run). 
>
> Do some of you run your online collections through your cms? Yes or
no,
> was this a conscious decision and if so what was the rationale?
>
> Will Real
> Carnegie Museum of Art
> Pittsburgh, PA

 

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From chris_deangelis at harvard.edu  Wed Jun 17 07:07:08 2009
From: chris_deangelis at harvard.edu (Chris De Angelis)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:07:08 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L]  Online collections and content management systems
Message-ID: <FD1603A7DF1948DB823F855439D59B78@huam.harvard.edu>

Cathryn,
 
We are using dotCMS: http://www.dotcms.org/
 
It's an open source CMS backed by a company that offers services along with
it.  It's a Java-based product, which is an advantage for us as much of our
expertise and in-house software is also Java-based.
 
Chris
 
-----Original Message-----
> Chris,
>
> What CMS do you use?
>
> Thanks
> cathryn
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu
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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:04 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu <http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l> 
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Online collections and content management systems
 
We here at the Harvard Art Museum recently launched a new website
Utilizing a CMS.  Our collections search tool was also reimplemented to
integrate
With this CMS, and thereby the rest of the website, but the collections data
continues to be managed through our TMS system, in its own database.  So
while the collections search runs as a "module" of the content management
system,
none of the data it exposes is actually managed through that system.
 
Although I was not part of the decision making process, it was a
conscious decision to implement things this way, and here are some of the
reasons
I'm aware of:
 
.       to make the collections search stand out as a more visible part of
the overall website
.       to allow tighter linkage between the collections search and other
types of content, such as events, exhibitions, etc. (though this may not
be fully realized yet)
.       to use styling, or "look and feel" that's consistent between
the collections search and the rest of the site
 
 
I imagine that if you wanted to use the CMS for content management on
the collections data, you would have to devise a way to keep your
web-exposed data consistent with whatever you currently use to manage the
collections data.
 
 
Chris
 
------
Chris De Angelis
Java Applications Developer
617-495-9535
 
chris_deangelis <mailto:chris_deangelis at harvard.edu
<http://toronto.mediatrope.com/mailman/listinfo/mcn-l> >  at harvard.edu
 
 
Harvard Art Museum
32 Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
www.harvardartmuseum.org <http://www.harvardartmuseum.org/> 
 
 
 
Original Message:
 
> Later this year or next we will be implementing a content management
> system for our web site. Currently we do not plan to content-manage
our
> online collections search. It would run on its own, with its own
> separate underlying database. But I've lately been wondering whether
> this is the best approach (though it is certainly simpler and less
> expensive, at least in the short run). 
>
> Do some of you run your online collections through your cms? Yes or
no,
> was this a conscious decision and if so what was the rationale?
>
> Will Real
> Carnegie Museum of Art
> Pittsburgh, PA

 

 


From david at yakimavalleymuseum.org  Wed Jun 17 13:23:11 2009
From: david at yakimavalleymuseum.org (David Lynx)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:23:11 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
Message-ID: <C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>

I would like to set up large screen tv that would play 3-4 documentaries.  I
have had this set up where they are in a constant loop, but would like to
remove that feature.  What I want is for the visitor to choose which one
they want to see, then have it play through and stop.

The one feature I am looking for, is the ability to do this remotely from
the seating area. Any ideas?
Thanks
David
---------------------------------------------
David Lynx, Curator of Information Design
Yakima Valley Museum (509)248-0747
www.yakimavalleymuseum.org




From dougm at northwestmuseum.org  Wed Jun 17 13:35:18 2009
From: dougm at northwestmuseum.org (doug melven)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:35:18 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
References: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
	<C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
Message-ID: <D454C42265104590AF09247A2733031A@NWMAC1.local>

Hi David,
I could write a program for you that would be controlled by a touch screen -
contact me at doug68205 at aol.com. 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
David Lynx
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:23 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

I would like to set up large screen tv that would play 3-4 documentaries.  I
have had this set up where they are in a constant loop, but would like to
remove that feature.  What I want is for the visitor to choose which one
they want to see, then have it play through and stop.

The one feature I am looking for, is the ability to do this remotely from
the seating area. Any ideas?
Thanks
David
---------------------------------------------
David Lynx, Curator of Information Design Yakima Valley Museum (509)248-0747
www.yakimavalleymuseum.org



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From lloyd.swartz at utsa.edu  Wed Jun 17 13:37:09 2009
From: lloyd.swartz at utsa.edu (Lloyd Swartz)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:37:09 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
References: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu>
	<C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
Message-ID: <F2E0854C023A0D4CB1DAD7B4DC38BA8F0293F6CE@emeralditc.UTSARR.NET>


  Some how you have to detect the desires of the customer.  How many
customers will be expressing their desires, 1,10,20.  For one person
this is simple.  For multiple inputs, voting, this is more complex.  

Lloyd M. Swartz

-----Original Message-----
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David Lynx
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:23 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

I would like to set up large screen tv that would play 3-4
documentaries.  I have had this set up where they are in a constant
loop, but would like to remove that feature.  What I want is for the
visitor to choose which one they want to see, then have it play through
and stop.

The one feature I am looking for, is the ability to do this remotely
from the seating area. Any ideas?
Thanks
David
---------------------------------------------
David Lynx, Curator of Information Design Yakima Valley Museum
(509)248-0747 www.yakimavalleymuseum.org



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From psully at magnes.org  Wed Jun 17 13:41:04 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:41:04 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
References: <325970952.182241244059504872.JavaMail.root@ganesh.brynmawr.edu><C65E9EBF.AC60%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
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Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B3E5C0F@jlm-net.jlm.local>

We did this in our Projections gallery. Instead of a TV, we used a projector, but the effect would be the same. Instead of setting up a television, we used an iMac Mini and loaded the videos onto that. Set up some permissions to allow folks to browse the video content but not much else. We would turn it on in the morning and load the video list onto the screen, so that all of the options would be obvious.

A small remote and list of instructions were available to the public. We also set up a wireless keyboard and mouse for when we wanted to do internet-based demonstrations in that gallery.

~Perian

From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
David Lynx
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:23 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

I would like to set up large screen tv that would play 3-4
documentaries.  I have had this set up where they are in a constant
loop, but would like to remove that feature.  What I want is for the
visitor to choose which one they want to see, then have it play through
and stop.

The one feature I am looking for, is the ability to do this remotely
from the seating area. Any ideas?
Thanks
David
---------------------------------------------
David Lynx, Curator of Information Design Yakima Valley Museum
(509)248-0747 www.yakimavalleymuseum.org



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From david at yakimavalleymuseum.org  Wed Jun 17 13:59:33 2009
From: david at yakimavalleymuseum.org (David Lynx)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:59:33 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B3E5C0F@jlm-net.jlm.local>
Message-ID: <C65EA745.AC6B%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>

I could do this with a mac mini..  I guess it would have to be near the
screen.  Was this put on a touch screen?

I am hoping to have something that was remote to a screen on the wall
(without running cords). But I might now be able to do this.


On 6/17/09 1:41 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:

> We did this in our Projections gallery. Instead of a TV, we used a projector,
> but the effect would be the same. Instead of setting up a television, we used
> an iMac Mini and loaded the videos onto that. Set up some permissions to allow
> folks to browse the video content but not much else. We would turn it on in
> the morning and load the video list onto the screen, so that all of the
> options would be obvious.
> 
> A small remote and list of instructions were available to the public. We also
> set up a wireless keyboard and mouse for when we wanted to do internet-based
> demonstrations in that gallery.
> 
> ~Perian



From psully at magnes.org  Wed Jun 17 14:26:27 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:26:27 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
References: <C65EA745.AC6B%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B3E5C10@jlm-net.jlm.local>

nope, no touch screen - it was right on the wall!

At home, I have a 46" (or something. It's Big.) LCD television I have hooked up to my computer. I also have a wireless mouse and keyboard so I can use that for media viewing. Same idea, only with a TV instead of a projector.


-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu on behalf of David Lynx
Sent: Wed 6/17/2009 1:59 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
 
I could do this with a mac mini..  I guess it would have to be near the
screen.  Was this put on a touch screen?

I am hoping to have something that was remote to a screen on the wall
(without running cords). But I might now be able to do this.


On 6/17/09 1:41 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:

> We did this in our Projections gallery. Instead of a TV, we used a projector,
> but the effect would be the same. Instead of setting up a television, we used
> an iMac Mini and loaded the videos onto that. Set up some permissions to allow
> folks to browse the video content but not much else. We would turn it on in
> the morning and load the video list onto the screen, so that all of the
> options would be obvious.
> 
> A small remote and list of instructions were available to the public. We also
> set up a wireless keyboard and mouse for when we wanted to do internet-based
> demonstrations in that gallery.
> 
> ~Perian


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From rcherry at balboaparkonline.org  Wed Jun 17 15:53:59 2009
From: rcherry at balboaparkonline.org (Rich Cherry)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:53:59 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <C65EA745.AC6B%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
References: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B3E5C0F@jlm-net.jlm.local>
	<C65EA745.AC6B%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
Message-ID: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DAD21D6@MAILR005.mail.lan>

The Perpetual Art Machine has a system that does this... http://www.perpetualartmachine.com/content/view/46/53/lang,en/ 


Rich Cherry
Director
Balboa Park Online Collaborative
A Project of the Benbough Operating Foundation
2131 Pan American Plz
San Diego, CA 92101
B: (619) 819-8331
F: (619) 819-8230
rcherry at balboaparkonline.org

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of David Lynx
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:00 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

I could do this with a mac mini..  I guess it would have to be near the
screen.  Was this put on a touch screen?

I am hoping to have something that was remote to a screen on the wall
(without running cords). But I might now be able to do this.


On 6/17/09 1:41 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:

> We did this in our Projections gallery. Instead of a TV, we used a projector,
> but the effect would be the same. Instead of setting up a television, we used
> an iMac Mini and loaded the videos onto that. Set up some permissions to allow
> folks to browse the video content but not much else. We would turn it on in
> the morning and load the video list onto the screen, so that all of the
> options would be obvious.
> 
> A small remote and list of instructions were available to the public. We also
> set up a wireless keyboard and mouse for when we wanted to do internet-based
> demonstrations in that gallery.
> 
> ~Perian


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From akeshet at imj.org.il  Thu Jun 18 06:46:10 2009
From: akeshet at imj.org.il (Amalyah Keshet  [akeshet@imj.org.il])
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:46:10 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: ringtones as public performances
Message-ID: <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD781F4AB911AB@mailsrv.imj.org.il>

>From the "If a tree falls in the forest..." Department:

________________________________
AT&T and ASCAP are locked in a titanic battle about whether musical
ringtones must be licensed for public performance. In their brief,
filed last week, ASCAP makes some truly breathtaking arguments.

Such as:

"When an AT&T ringtone plays in public, there is no question that it
falls under clause (1) of the definition of "to perform publicly." The
phone is on AT&T's network, and AT&T controls the entire series of
steps that allow and trigger the player to perform the performance.
That is a direct infringement under the Copyright Act."

"There is thus no question that the performances that AT&T causes are
"public," regardless of whether some customers' phones may sometimes
be switched to vibrate, turned off, or located in the home. ... It
need only be "capable" of being performed to the public; whether the
ringtone is set to play, and indeed whether anyone hears it, is of no
moment."

ASCAP's entire brief here:
<http://files.me.com/fvl/an3drn>
________________________________






From Jeanne.Kessler at nationalww2museum.org  Sun Jun 21 14:58:27 2009
From: Jeanne.Kessler at nationalww2museum.org (Jeanne Kessler)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:58:27 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection
In-Reply-To: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DAD21D6@MAILR005.mail.lan>
References: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B3E5C0F@jlm-net.jlm.local>
	<C65EA745.AC6B%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
	<0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DAD21D6@MAILR005.mail.lan>
Message-ID: <2A57828BC165D64E88DB9A957CB84BE02DD13FB0D5@650store.ddaymuseum.org>

For our current special exhibit,"June 1944: One Month in the War that Changed the World" we have some accompanying oral histories.  

We converted them all to Flash (each is about 5-10 minutes long) and they have an associated menu - also programmed in flash.  All are on a touch screen (not too expensive) and visitors have had no trouble determining navigation.

The flash is really nice - it runs quick and loads fast.



Jeanne Kessler
IT Project Manager
The National?WWII Museum
945 Magazine Street
New Orleans, LA 70130
Phone: 504/527-6012, ext. 228
Cell: 504/723-0765
Fax: 504/527-6088
Jeanne.Kessler at nationalww2museum.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:54 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

The Perpetual Art Machine has a system that does this... http://www.perpetualartmachine.com/content/view/46/53/lang,en/ 


Rich Cherry
Director
Balboa Park Online Collaborative
A Project of the Benbough Operating Foundation
2131 Pan American Plz
San Diego, CA 92101
B: (619) 819-8331
F: (619) 819-8230
rcherry at balboaparkonline.org

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of David Lynx
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:00 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Visitor Theatre / Remote Movie Selection

I could do this with a mac mini..  I guess it would have to be near the
screen.  Was this put on a touch screen?

I am hoping to have something that was remote to a screen on the wall
(without running cords). But I might now be able to do this.


On 6/17/09 1:41 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:

> We did this in our Projections gallery. Instead of a TV, we used a projector,
> but the effect would be the same. Instead of setting up a television, we used
> an iMac Mini and loaded the videos onto that. Set up some permissions to allow
> folks to browse the video content but not much else. We would turn it on in
> the morning and load the video list onto the screen, so that all of the
> options would be obvious.
> 
> A small remote and list of instructions were available to the public. We also
> set up a wireless keyboard and mouse for when we wanted to do internet-based
> demonstrations in that gallery.
> 
> ~Perian


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From dbastien at risd.edu  Mon Jun 22 12:04:56 2009
From: dbastien at risd.edu (Denise Bastien)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:04:56 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 15
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From akeshet at imj.org.il  Tue Jun 23 06:14:16 2009
From: akeshet at imj.org.il (Amalyah Keshet  [akeshet@imj.org.il])
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:14:16 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] Kodachrome commemoration
Message-ID: <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD781F4AB911EC@mailsrv.imj.org.il>

Thought this might be of interest:



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Brantley


Although newer print films have emerged in the Ektachrome series, Kodachrome remains a hallmark of range and saturation; it is an unequaled film for preservation of color images from the 1940s onwards.  Sadly, Kodak ceased production today.

Like many transitions, there are substitutes, but something has been lost.  A wonderful tribute at Kodak,

http://homepage.1000words.kodak.com/default.asp?item=2388083&CID=go&idhbx=kodachrometribute

and I can find no better tribute, particularly as a westerner, to Kodachrome than this collection of stunning photographs in Kodachrome by Ansel Adams, primarily from the mid- to late- 1940s - Ansel Adams in Color.  1 of the first printings still available at Powells, very reasonably.

http://www.powells.com/biblio/2-9780821219805-1


________________________________________



From akeshet at imj.org.il  Tue Jun 23 07:53:30 2009
From: akeshet at imj.org.il (Amalyah Keshet  [akeshet@imj.org.il])
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:53:30 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] IP SIG: ringtones as public performances - more from the EFF
Message-ID: <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD781F4AB911F8@mailsrv.imj.org.il>

More, from the Electronic Frontier Foundation:


http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/ascap-wants-be-paid-/

"ASCAP (the same folks who went after Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public, you're violating copyright law by "publicly performing" it without a license. At least that's the import of a brief [2.5mb PDF] it filed in ASCAP's court battle with mobile phone giant AT&T.

"This will doubtless come as a shock to the millions of Americans who have legitimately purchased musical ringtones, contributing millions to the music industry's bottom line. Are we each liable for statutory damages (say, $80,000) if we forget to silence our phones in a restaurant?

"ASCAP's outlandish claim is part of its battle with major mobile carriers (including Verizon and AT&T) over whether ASCAP is owed any money for "public performances" of the musical ringtones sold by the carriers. The carriers point out that the owners of the musical compositions (i.e., songwriters and music publishers) are already paid for each ringtone download, but ASCAP claims that it's owed another royalty for the "public performances" (i.e., ringing in a restaurant) of those same ringtones. "

________________________________
From: Amalyah Keshet [akeshet at imj.org.il]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:46 PM
To: 'Museum Computer Network Listserv'
Subject: IP SIG: ringtones as public performances

>From the "If a tree falls in the forest..." Department:

________________________________
AT&T and ASCAP are locked in a titanic battle about whether musical
ringtones must be licensed for public performance. In their brief,
filed last week, ASCAP makes some truly breathtaking arguments.

Such as:

"When an AT&T ringtone plays in public, there is no question that it
falls under clause (1) of the definition of "to perform publicly." The
phone is on AT&T's network, and AT&T controls the entire series of
steps that allow and trigger the player to perform the performance.
That is a direct infringement under the Copyright Act."

"There is thus no question that the performances that AT&T causes are
"public," regardless of whether some customers' phones may sometimes
be switched to vibrate, turned off, or located in the home. ... It
need only be "capable" of being performed to the public; whether the
ringtone is set to play, and indeed whether anyone hears it, is of no
moment."

ASCAP's entire brief here:
<http://files.me.com/fvl/an3drn>
________________________________






From hraatz at artsmia.org  Tue Jun 23 10:40:48 2009
From: hraatz at artsmia.org (Heidi Raatz)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:40:48 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Call for Proposals, 28th Annual VRA Conference, 2010,
	Atlanta, GA, SECOND REMINDER
Message-ID: <4A40CD50.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>


Call for Proposals, Second Reminder, VRA Atlanta 2010
Proposal deadline July 3, 2009
 
PLEASE FORWARD TO COLLEAGUES OR OTHER LISTS AS APPROPRIATE
 
The Visual Resources Association's 28th Annual Conference will be held
in Atlanta, GA from Wednesday March 17th through Saturday March 20th at
the Westin Peachtree Plaza, Atlanta:
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/westin/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1023
 (http://tinyurl.com/ovd96 )  
 
We are now soliciting proposals for the 2010 program sessions,
workshops, papers and special interest groups. 
http://vraweb.org/conferences/2010Atlanta/proposal.php 
 
A *Session* is a 90 minute moderated session with 3 or 4 speakers at 20
minutes each followed by a facilitated brief question and answer period.

 
A *Special Interest Group* is a 60 to 90-minute informal facilitated
group discussion on topics related to a specific community within VRA. 
 
A *Workshop* is a 3 to 4 hour workshop to develop skills and experience
in the field of Visual Resources, preferably with hands-on activities. 
 
General areas of interest include, but are not limited to: digital
photography; digital imaging and presentation technologies; strategic
planning; cataloging and metadata (including non-western, non-art, and
special topics cataloging); trend forecasting for the visual resources
profession; copyright and fair use; user instruction; and professional
status issues.  Attendees at the VRA Conference range from students and
new professionals to seasoned mid and late career VR curators. 
Proposals from and directed to all attendees are welcome.  We are always
looking for ways to round out our programming, make it fresh and unique
for our attendees, and therefore encourage submissions in VR-related
areas not listed above and from new constituencies. 
 
In our post-conference survey we found that our members are
particularly interested in the following themes & topics.  Overall these
topics reflect a concern with managing change balanced with continuity
in the future of our profession and the collections we manage.
 
?       Joint library & visual resources concerns 
?       Intellectual property issues, particularly in an international
context & as they involve contemporary art; also differences in
perspective on copy photography between libraries & VR collections 
?       Image & cataloging commons / resource sharing - the nuts &
bolts 
?       Tips for younger professionals managing older staffers with
emphasis on user training for new technology tools 
?       New technologies (encore! encore!) 
?       Marketing & selling visual resources collections & services 
?       User instruction to various constituencies - faculty, students,
campus/institution-wide 
?       Time management, particularly in relation to job cuts &
increased workloads 
?       Planning for retirement 
?       Reconfiguring & equipping the former slide library for the
digital environment 
?       Leadership & mentoring 
?       Deposition of analog materials no longer in use
 
The quality of conference content depends upon YOUR ideas and
contributions.  The VRA Executive Board will be looking for complete,
concise and articulate submissions with full lists of presenters. 
Moderators may put out calls for speakers within a proposed topic before
submitting their completed topics to the Executive Board.  Specificity
regarding audio-visual needs including live internet connectivity is
required.  If there is an area of concern or interest that you feel
has not been addressed in previous programs, do consider submitting a
proposal.  Questions about the proposal process and the various
presentation formats included in the VRA conference program can be
directed to me at hraatz at artsmia.org.  Again--the proposal deadline is
July 3, 2009 (that's only 1-1/2 weeks away!). 
 
Sincerely,
 
Heidi S. Raatz
Vice President for Conference Program
 
 
 
Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404
 
(612) 870-3196 |
(612) 870-3029 - permissions |
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From deborahwythe at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 23 11:03:42 2009
From: deborahwythe at hotmail.com (Deborah Wythe)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:03:42 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Digital Media SIG: metadata terminology
Message-ID: <BLU126-W15204C7F93C3CD62139B40CF360@phx.gbl>


I know that some other DAMS folks out there are including a segment along the lines of what we're calling "Museum Life" -- people, activities, events -- all of those pictures of people doing fun and educational things around the museum. I would be curious to see examples of the metadata templates that others have come up with. 

Thanks!
Deb Wythe
Brooklyn Museum

deborahwythe at hotmail.com 



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From digin at email.arizona.edu  Tue Jun 23 12:52:09 2009
From: digin at email.arizona.edu (digin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:52:09 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] IMLS scholarships for University of Arizona digital
	information	certificate
Message-ID: <20090623125209.v68g8g0ocok4os4k@www.email.arizona.edu>

----------------------------------------------------------

June 2009 - For immediate release

The University of Arizona Digital Information Management (DigIn) online graduate
certificate program has been awarded a prestigious grant of over $900,000 from
the U.S. Institute of Museum and Library Services, primarily to fund
scholarships.

The DigIn curriculum combines intensive, hands-on technology learning with a
thorough grounding in the theoretical principles needed to manage large and
complex digital collections.

The program takes a comprehensive, interdisciplinary approach to managing
digital information and is designed to support a wide range of career paths,
especially involving libraries, museums, archives, and records management.

Graduate certificates are increasingly being recognized as a means for
professionals with advanced degrees to update their knowledge and skills. DigIn
also offers a path for those with undergraduate degrees who are interested in
digital collections but who may not yet be ready to commit to a full degree
program.

The grant will also greatly boost DigIn's mission to foster disciplinary,
institutional, geographic, and cultural diversity in the management of digital
collections and services.

Thus, DigIn strongly encourages scholarship applicants representing historically
underserved institutions, regions, and communities, as well as students
expressing interest in working with digital collections in culturally diverse
settings.

DigIn is now accepting applications for admission and financial aid for the Fall
2009 semester. The application deadline has just been extended to July 10.

Late applications will be accepted, though Fall admission cannot be guaranteed
once the July 10 deadline has passed. Late applicants will also be considered
for admission in the Spring 2010 semester.

The program is delivered entirely online and does not require students to reside
in or travel to Tucson. Students generally complete the certificate in 4-6
semesters (15-27 months).

DigIn was founded in 2007 with major funding from Institute of Museum and
Library Services, the primary source of federal support for the nation?s
122,000 libraries and 17,500 museums. The Institute's mission is to create
strong libraries and museums that connect people to information and ideas.

Our current partners also include the Arizona State Library, Archives and Public
Records, the Georgia Institute of Technology, and the Sedona Conference.

Additional details on the program including course descriptions, admissions
requirements and application forms may be found on the program website:

digin.arizona.edu

Prospective applicants are also welcome to contact the DigIn staff at:

digin at email.arizona.edu

----------------------------------------------------------



From akeshet at imj.org.il  Tue Jun 23 23:50:35 2009
From: akeshet at imj.org.il (Amalyah Keshet  [akeshet@imj.org.il])
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:50:35 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] Digital Media SIG: metadata terminology
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W15204C7F93C3CD62139B40CF360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9844AFCBFFF93540889F30E865CEFD781F4AB91205@mailsrv.imj.org.il>

Deb is a mind-reader.  Breaking our heads on this one here, too, at the moment. 
Any ideas welcome.

Amalyah Keshet
Head of Image Resources & Copyright Management
The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah Wythe
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:04 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Digital Media SIG: metadata terminology


I know that some other DAMS folks out there are including a segment along the lines of what we're calling "Museum Life" -- people, activities, events -- all of those pictures of people doing fun and educational things around the museum. I would be curious to see examples of the metadata templates that others have come up with. 

Thanks!
Deb Wythe
Brooklyn Museum

deborahwythe at hotmail.com 



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From R.Blekman at rijksmuseum.nl  Wed Jun 24 04:58:02 2009
From: R.Blekman at rijksmuseum.nl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Blekman?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:58:02 +0200
Subject: [MCN-L] Sharepoint
Message-ID: <1417924BB841B14C98A90E1C1569C0A30FA38C2426@S-MAIL-1.rijksmuseum.intra>


Are there already museums using Sharepoint in combination with i.e Collection Management Systems, conservation records, procedures/workflow (acquisition, conditionchecks, restorationprojects etc.)
I am interested in all kind of initiatives and projects.

Best regards,

Ren? Blekman
(Documentalist, Dept. Collectionregistration & Documentation)

OOG Tijdschrift van het Rijksmuseum
Stem nu op het mooiste naakt van Nederland www.oogvoornaakt.nl<http://www.oogvoornaakt.nl>
_______________________________________
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F +31 (0) 20 6747001






R.E. Blekman
Documentalist, Afdeling Collectieregistratie & Documentatie
Documentalist, Registration & Documentation Department
T +31 (0)20 67 47 376
Bezoekadres/Visitors' address
Frans van Mierisstraat 92, 1071 RZ Amsterdam
Vrijdag na 12.30 afwezig/Fridays after 12.30 absent
r.blekman at rijksmuseum.nl<mailto:r.blekman at rijksmuseum.nl>




From JMacKnight at cincymuseum.org  Wed Jun 24 07:25:42 2009
From: JMacKnight at cincymuseum.org (Jane MacKnight)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:42 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Sharepoint
In-Reply-To: <1417924BB841B14C98A90E1C1569C0A30FA38C2426@S-MAIL-1.rijksmuseum.intra>
References: <1417924BB841B14C98A90E1C1569C0A30FA38C2426@S-MAIL-1.rijksmuseum.intra>
Message-ID: <AD74C2BF71BC494AB83AC71565EC9EC40498B1C9@museum07.cincymuseum.org>

Rene:  We are exploring the possibilities with Cuadra database (library) and KE Emu (objects/specimens).  We hope to be operational within the next year.  I'll let you know how the process goes.  Best, Jane 

Jane MacKnight
Senior Registrar
Cincinnati Museum Center
T: 513-287-7092
F: 513-455-7169
Cell: 513-478-8168

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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:58 AM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Sharepoint


Are there already museums using Sharepoint in combination with i.e Collection Management Systems, conservation records, procedures/workflow (acquisition, conditionchecks, restorationprojects etc.)
I am interested in all kind of initiatives and projects.

Best regards,

Ren? Blekman
(Documentalist, Dept. Collectionregistration & Documentation)

OOG Tijdschrift van het Rijksmuseum
Stem nu op het mooiste naakt van Nederland www.oogvoornaakt.nl<http://www.oogvoornaakt.nl>
_______________________________________
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Postbus / PO Box 74888, 1070 DN Amsterdam
Nederland / The Netherlands
T +31 (0) 20 6747000
F +31 (0) 20 6747001






R.E. Blekman
Documentalist, Afdeling Collectieregistratie & Documentatie
Documentalist, Registration & Documentation Department
T +31 (0)20 67 47 376
Bezoekadres/Visitors' address
Frans van Mierisstraat 92, 1071 RZ Amsterdam
Vrijdag na 12.30 afwezig/Fridays after 12.30 absent
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From hraatz at artsmia.org  Wed Jun 24 08:25:48 2009
From: hraatz at artsmia.org (Heidi Raatz)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:48 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
Message-ID: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>

Good morning all,
 
My morning was significantly disturbed by a Tweet posted to https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs: a summary http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This shortened URL takes you to Jennifer Trant's blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.  Attached to the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4 page .pdf document listing various museum jobs from Director to Membership Clerk, including staff positions as varied as Planetarium Director, Studio Manager and Projectionist.  There are NO Visual Resources professionals included on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're somehow invisibly included with Digitizing Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or Archivist.  I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's blog and hope to receive a response from her which I will share with the VRA and MCN listservs.
 
Coming on the heels of the announcement regarding the elimination of Leigh Gate's Visual Resources position at the Art Institute of Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge that Melody Ennis (Museum of Art, RISD), Jane Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to the elimination of their staff positions within the past year,  this blog post is extremely troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of awareness and understanding about the role of Visual Resources professionals in the museum environment that needs to be addressed.  In light of overall concerns about the future of our profession, this may be a timely and pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR SIG (special interest group) meeting at the next Visual Resources Assn. conference in Atlanta--for those of us museum VR professionals who still retain jobs and will be in attendance.
 
Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
 
Heidi
 
 
 
 
 
 
Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404
 
(612) 870-3196 |
(612) 870-3029 - permissions |
hraatz at artsmia.org | 
permissions at artsmia.org| 
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From bwyman at denverartmuseum.org  Wed Jun 24 08:45:49 2009
From: bwyman at denverartmuseum.org (Bruce Wyman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:45:49 -0600
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
Message-ID: <p06240813c667f9134806@[192.168.0.8]>

>Clearly there is some lack of awareness and understanding about the 
>role of Visual Resources professionals in the museum environment 
>that needs to be addressed.  In light of overall concerns about the 
>future of our profession, this may be a timely and pertinent topic 
>for discussion at the Museum VR SIG (special interest group) meeting 
>at the next Visual Resources Assn. conference in Atlanta--for those 
>of us museum VR professionals who still retain jobs and will be in 
>attendance.

You've got a forum here, why not start here instead of waiting for 
the next VR SIG meeting?

Your criticism is certainly valid and it looks like that museum jobs 
summary is mostly cited material from a decade ago. Heck, my own 
position doesn't exist on the list. Or web-related folks.

-bw.
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
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From deborahwythe at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 24 08:54:38 2009
From: deborahwythe at hotmail.com (Deborah Wythe)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:54:38 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
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References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
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Her sources for the positions are all 20th century (1994, 1996 and 1997), so I would take the whole thing with a big grain of salt. 

Photographer's there, but the whole job area of digital media and asset management were barely known in the 90s. 

That's not to say that we're not all endangered these days! 

Deborah Wythe
Brooklyn Museum
deborahwythe at hotmail.com 




> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:48 -0500
> From: hraatz at artsmia.org
> To: VRA-L at LISTSERV.UARK.EDU; mcn-l at mcn.edu
> Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
> 
> Good morning all,
>  
> My morning was significantly disturbed by a Tweet posted to https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs: a summary http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This shortened URL takes you to Jennifer Trant's blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.  Attached to the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4 page .pdf document listing various museum jobs from Director to Membership Clerk, including staff positions as varied as Planetarium Director, Studio Manager and Projectionist.  There are NO Visual Resources professionals included on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're somehow invisibly included with Digitizing Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or Archivist.  I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's blog and hope to receive a response from her which I will share with the VRA and MCN listservs.
>  
> Coming on the heels of the announcement regarding the elimination of Leigh Gate's Visual Resources position at the Art Institute of Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge that Melody Ennis (Museum of Art, RISD), Jane Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to the elimination of their staff positions within the past year,  this blog post is extremely troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of awareness and understanding about the role of Visual Resources professionals in the museum environment that needs to be addressed.  In light of overall concerns about the future of our profession, this may be a timely and pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR SIG (special interest group) meeting at the next Visual Resources Assn. conference in Atlanta--for those of us museum VR professionals who still retain jobs and will be in attendance.
>  
> Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>  
> Heidi
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
> Minneapolis Institute of Arts
> 2400 Third Avenue South
> Minneapolis, MN 55404
>  
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From jtrant at archimuse.com  Wed Jun 24 09:00:06 2009
From: jtrant at archimuse.com (j trant)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:00:06 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
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Heidi,

as i explained in my response to your comment -- see 
http://conference.archimuse.com/blog/jtrant/museum_jobs_summary#comment-1439 
-- that list of museum jobs was constructed in 2006 as part of a 
review of museum work in the context of a survey of Museum Studies 
education. it surveyed published sources describing museum work, and 
summarized the qualifications and responsibilities at a very high 
level. it was shared to help a group who had little familiarity with 
museums and how they are organized.

the presence or absence of a specialization from that list was not 
intended as a slight -- i'm sorry if that's what happened.  i should 
also apologize in advance to others who don't see their specific job 
title mentioned.

i think we all recognise that many functions are not assigned 
consistently across museums; staffing and organizational structures 
depend a lot on size and budget, and roles and responsibilities are 
evolving, particularly in areas that deal with information management 
and technology.

here's hoping we all have jobs and can travel to conferences in the future!

jennifer

At 10:25 AM -0500 6/24/09, Heidi Raatz wrote:
>Good morning all,
>
>My morning was significantly disturbed by a Tweet posted to 
>https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs: a summary 
>http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This shortened URL takes you to Jennifer 
>Trant's blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.  Attached to 
>the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4 page .pdf document listing various 
>museum jobs from Director to Membership Clerk, including staff 
>positions as varied as Planetarium Director, Studio Manager and 
>Projectionist.  There are NO Visual Resources professionals included 
>on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're somehow invisibly included with 
>Digitizing Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or Archivist. 
>I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's blog and hope to receive a 
>response from her which I will share with the VRA and MCN listservs.
>
>Coming on the heels of the announcement regarding the elimination of 
>Leigh Gate's Visual Resources position at the Art Institute of 
>Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge that Melody Ennis (Museum 
>of Art, RISD), Jane Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl 
>Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to the elimination of 
>their staff positions within the past year,  this blog post is 
>extremely troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of awareness and 
>understanding about the role of Visual Resources professionals in 
>the museum environment that needs to be addressed.  In light of 
>overall concerns about the future of our profession, this may be a 
>timely and pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR SIG 
>(special interest group) meeting at the next Visual Resources Assn. 
>conference in Atlanta--for those of us museum VR professionals who 
>still retain jobs and will be in attendance.
>
>Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>
>Heidi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
>Minneapolis Institute of Arts
>2400 Third Avenue South
>Minneapolis, MN 55404
>
>(612) 870-3196 |
>(612) 870-3029 - permissions |
>hraatz at artsmia.org |
>permissions at artsmia.org|
>www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ )
>
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From DWellford at moc.org  Wed Jun 24 09:23:14 2009
From: DWellford at moc.org (Drury Wellford)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:23:14 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org

From psully at magnes.org  Wed Jun 24 09:37:38 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:37:38 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
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Dear Drury:

We have a mix of machines here, including two 24" iMacs we used for
digitization work. They connect up to a Windows Exchange server, as well
as another Windows SQL server.

As far as I can tell, they work well with the Exchange server, but I do
have a lot of problems with them not fully recognizing the permissions
on the SQL server. There are, however, some hacks and fixes available,
(although I prefer threatening the iMacs with a hammer...) which we do
apply when problems crop up.

~P

Perian Sully
Collections Information Manager
Web Programs Strategist
The Magnes
Berkeley, CA


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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From tim at kairosphoto.com  Wed Jun 24 09:55:51 2009
From: tim at kairosphoto.com (Tim Atherton)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:55:51 -0600
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <JOEDIIAOJNCLFHGHOMKKEEMNMAAA.tim@kairosphoto.com>


> Photographer's there, but the whole job area of digital media and
> asset management were barely known in the 90s.
>
> That's not to say that we're not all endangered these days!
>

I've come across a couple of articles recently (at least one was a
"Business/economics" one rather than cultural sector one) listing the whole
area of digital assets, digital preservation, digital archives/records
management etc as being growth area - and for some time to come - currently
with not enough experience and qualified people to meet the need.

Gave me hope for at least five minutes... :-)


Tim Atherton

e. tim at kairosphoto.com <mailto:tim at kairosphoto.com>
t. 780.292.3881
archivist  ? curator  ? photographer


?The archives are comprehensive and totally secure, my young Jedi.
One thing you may be absolutely sure of - if an item does not appear
in our records, it does not exist!?
Jocasta Nu - Jedi Archivist


From jtrant at archimuse.com  Wed Jun 24 10:04:05 2009
From: jtrant at archimuse.com (j trant)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:04:05 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p0624081ac668092951ff@[192.168.0.100]>

Deborah et al.,

with the exception of "Cataloguer / Curatorial 
assistant" none of the jobs that i have held at a 
museum are mentioned specifically on that list 
either ;)

the list wasn't presented as 'ideal' or 
'current'. it was constructed as a baseline to 
look at how museum staff are trained [within the 
context of museum studies education.]

i posted it because the team i was working with 
needed to understand how museums were organized, 
and i  couldn't point them to an easily available 
summary.

it would be really useful if MCN could think 
about the kinds of jobs that done by its members, 
and articulate the competencies required. this is 
being done 'for' museums in other areas [like 
Information Science and VR] but in my opinion, 
information-focused programs miss the public 
facing, interpretive aspect of much museum 
technology.

Where's the Museum Tech Job Description registry?

/jt

At 11:54 AM -0400 6/24/09, Deborah Wythe wrote:
>Her sources for the positions are all 20th 
>century (1994, 1996 and 1997), so I would take 
>the whole thing with a big grain of salt.
>
>Photographer's there, but the whole job area of 
>digital media and asset management were barely 
>known in the 90s.
>
>That's not to say that we're not all endangered these days!
>
>Deborah Wythe
>Brooklyn Museum
>deborahwythe at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>>  Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:48 -0500
>>  From: hraatz at artsmia.org
>>  To: VRA-L at LISTSERV.UARK.EDU; mcn-l at mcn.edu
>>  Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
>>
>>  Good morning all,
>> 
>>  My morning was significantly disturbed by a 
>>Tweet posted to 
>>https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs: 
>>a summary http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This 
>>shortened URL takes you to Jennifer Trant's 
>>blog on the conference.archimuse.com website. 
>>Attached to the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4 
>>page .pdf document listing various museum jobs 
>>from Director to Membership Clerk, including 
>>staff positions as varied as Planetarium 
>>Director, Studio Manager and Projectionist. 
>>There are NO Visual Resources professionals 
>>included on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're 
>>somehow invisibly included with Digitizing 
>>Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or 
>>Archivist.  I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's 
>>blog and hope to receive a response from her 
>>which I will share with the VRA and MCN 
>>listservs.
>> 
>>  Coming on the heels of the announcement 
>>regarding the elimination of Leigh Gate's 
>>Visual Resources position at the Art Institute 
>>of Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge 
>>that Melody Ennis (Museum of Art, RISD), Jane 
>>Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl 
>>Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to 
>>the elimination of their staff positions within 
>>the past year,  this blog post is extremely 
>>troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of 
>>awareness and understanding about the role of 
>>Visual Resources professionals in the museum 
>>environment that needs to be addressed.  In 
>>light of overall concerns about the future of 
>>our profession, this may be a timely and 
>>pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR 
>>SIG (special interest group) meeting at the 
>>next Visual Resources Assn. conference in 
>>Atlanta--for those of us museum VR 
>>professionals who still retain jobs and will be 
>>in attendance.
>> 
>>  Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>> 
>>  Heidi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
>>  Minneapolis Institute of Arts
>>  2400 Third Avenue South
>>  Minneapolis, MN 55404
>> 
>>  (612) 870-3196 |
>>  (612) 870-3029 - permissions |
>>  hraatz at artsmia.org |
>>  permissions at artsmia.org|
>>  www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ )
>> 
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From tim at kairosphoto.com  Wed Jun 24 10:05:36 2009
From: tim at kairosphoto.com (Tim Atherton)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:05:36 -0600
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <JOEDIIAOJNCLFHGHOMKKOEMNMAAA.tim@kairosphoto.com>

I've always tended to work in a PC environment both work and home wise, with
the odd foray into Macs here and there in certain work setups. But for the
last almost couple of years I have been working in an all Mac environment in
an archives, but linking into PC's/Microsoft on the wider scale.

Didn't have any problems that weren't fairly easily solved - and found the
whole area of connecting to servers, backups, networks etc generally much
easier to set up, configure and troubleshoot on the macs - even to microsoft
stuff.

Shouldn't be any problem with the Mac produced files - I didn't encounter
any.

I must say, in the end - for imaging, archives and museum work (databases,
archives management systems etc) - I have come to much prefer the Macs -
looking to afford to be able to eventually change over at home though... (my
theory is they aren't more expensive in the end. You make up for it in the
lesser amount of time and effort you spend on trying to fix and maintain
Macs as compared to PC's - to say nothing of lower blood pressure - and they
tend to last somewhat longer as well)


tim a


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From cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org  Wed Jun 24 10:09:26 2009
From: cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org (Chris Scrofani)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:09:26 -1000
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>

Hey Drury,

We've been running a mixed shop here for quite a while - about 100 users 
with a 50/50 PC to Mac ratio.  They play totally fine with each other.  
The odd problem pops up every now and then, but never anything unsolvable.

When you ask if the Mac will be compatible with the PC-based server, it 
would greatly help to know what kind of services the server is running.  
Is it running MS Exchange mail server, or is it simply a file server?  
Mac OS connects well to both of them.  If you are running a third-party 
database suite built for Windows (like TMS), then your Macs will not be 
able to natively connect.  For our TMS users here who have a Mac, we use 
Parallels software, which enables a Mac to run a virtual Windows 
environment within the Mac OS.  Parallels is a great piece of software.

I'm also not sure what you mean when you are worried about the Mac not 
reading PC image files.  Image file types are nearly all 
cross-platform.  I can't think of one image format that is exclusive to 
one operating system.  You should have no problems with image 
compatibility, unless there's a variable you didn't mention.

Chris

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Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org



Drury Wellford wrote:
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From Jlaclair at artbma.org  Wed Jun 24 10:09:08 2009
From: Jlaclair at artbma.org (Jeff L. La Clair)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:09:08 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>,
	<4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>
Message-ID: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>

Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and user profiles (when roaming).



Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
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From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Scrofani [cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:09 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Hey Drury,

We've been running a mixed shop here for quite a while - about 100 users
with a 50/50 PC to Mac ratio.  They play totally fine with each other.
The odd problem pops up every now and then, but never anything unsolvable.

When you ask if the Mac will be compatible with the PC-based server, it
would greatly help to know what kind of services the server is running.
Is it running MS Exchange mail server, or is it simply a file server?
Mac OS connects well to both of them.  If you are running a third-party
database suite built for Windows (like TMS), then your Macs will not be
able to natively connect.  For our TMS users here who have a Mac, we use
Parallels software, which enables a Mac to run a virtual Windows
environment within the Mac OS.  Parallels is a great piece of software.

I'm also not sure what you mean when you are worried about the Mac not
reading PC image files.  Image file types are nearly all
cross-platform.  I can't think of one image format that is exclusive to
one operating system.  You should have no problems with image
compatibility, unless there's a variable you didn't mention.

Chris

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Honolulu Academy of Arts
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Honolulu, HI 96814
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Drury Wellford wrote:
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
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From bwyman at denverartmuseum.org  Wed Jun 24 10:27:29 2009
From: bwyman at denverartmuseum.org (Bruce Wyman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:27:29 -0600
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>,
	<4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>
Message-ID: <p0624081ac6681163fac0@[192.168.0.8]>

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and 
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated 
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with 
Active Directory available at 
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Active_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the 
browser or download) at 
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=301> 
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no 
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled 
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with 
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
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From hraatz at artsmia.org  Wed Jun 24 10:32:11 2009
From: hraatz at artsmia.org (Heidi Raatz)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:32:11 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <p06240809c667fb19063c@[192.168.0.100]>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<p06240809c667fb19063c@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <4A421CCA.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>

Jennifer,
 
I appreciate your expansion and clarification about the museum jobs list and the survey and sources from which it was derived.  Certainly, I understand your points about functions not assigned consistently across museums, and identifying broad areas of responsibility.  Yet it is precisely because this survey and subsequent summary are directed toward "...a group that was not familiar with museum organizational structure at all." that I had, and voiced, my concerns about Visual Resources professionals not being specifically named.  
 
Clearly there is also work to do on the part of museum VR staff and members of the Visual Resources profession as a whole, in terms of greater awareness and inclusion of information about our role within museums and cultural heritage institutions within the types of published sources you used for your summary.  Perhaps some of this awareness begins with this very discussion!
 
Sincerely,
 
Heidi Raatz
 
 
Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404
 
(612) 870-3196 |
(612) 870-3029 - permissions |
hraatz at artsmia.org | 
permissions at artsmia.org| 
www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ ) 
 


>>> j trant <jtrant at archimuse.com> 6/24/2009 11:00 AM >>>
Heidi,

as i explained in my response to your comment -- see 
http://conference.archimuse.com/blog/jtrant/museum_jobs_summary#comment-1439 
-- that list of museum jobs was constructed in 2006 as part of a 
review of museum work in the context of a survey of Museum Studies 
education. it surveyed published sources describing museum work, and 
summarized the qualifications and responsibilities at a very high 
level. it was shared to help a group who had little familiarity with 
museums and how they are organized.

the presence or absence of a specialization from that list was not 
intended as a slight -- i'm sorry if that's what happened.  i should 
also apologize in advance to others who don't see their specific job 
title mentioned.

i think we all recognise that many functions are not assigned 
consistently across museums; staffing and organizational structures 
depend a lot on size and budget, and roles and responsibilities are 
evolving, particularly in areas that deal with information management 
and technology.

here's hoping we all have jobs and can travel to conferences in the future!

jennifer

At 10:25 AM -0500 6/24/09, Heidi Raatz wrote:
>Good morning all,
>
>My morning was significantly disturbed by a Tweet posted to 
>https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs: a summary 
>http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This shortened URL takes you to Jennifer 
>Trant's blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.  Attached to 
>the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4 page .pdf document listing various 
>museum jobs from Director to Membership Clerk, including staff 
>positions as varied as Planetarium Director, Studio Manager and 
>Projectionist.  There are NO Visual Resources professionals included 
>on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're somehow invisibly included with 
>Digitizing Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or Archivist. 
>I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's blog and hope to receive a 
>response from her which I will share with the VRA and MCN listservs.
>
>Coming on the heels of the announcement regarding the elimination of 
>Leigh Gate's Visual Resources position at the Art Institute of 
>Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge that Melody Ennis (Museum 
>of Art, RISD), Jane Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl 
>Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to the elimination of 
>their staff positions within the past year,  this blog post is 
>extremely troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of awareness and 
>understanding about the role of Visual Resources professionals in 
>the museum environment that needs to be addressed.  In light of 
>overall concerns about the future of our profession, this may be a 
>timely and pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR SIG 
>(special interest group) meeting at the next Visual Resources Assn. 
>conference in Atlanta--for those of us museum VR professionals who 
>still retain jobs and will be in attendance.
>
>Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>
>Heidi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
>Minneapolis Institute of Arts
>2400 Third Avenue South
>Minneapolis, MN 55404
>
>(612) 870-3196 |
>(612) 870-3029 - permissions |
>hraatz at artsmia.org |
>permissions at artsmia.org| 
>www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ )
>
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From Jlaclair at artbma.org  Wed Jun 24 10:26:31 2009
From: Jlaclair at artbma.org (Jeff L. La Clair)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:26:31 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ac6681163fac0@[192.168.0.8]>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>,
	<4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>,
	<p0624081ac6681163fac0@[192.168.0.8]>
Message-ID: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137B@exchange.artbma.museum>

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates), and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Active_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=301>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
<bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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From dianezorich at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 10:44:36 2009
From: dianezorich at comcast.net (Diane M. Zorich)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:44:36 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ac668092951ff@[192.168.0.100]>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<p0624081ac668092951ff@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <p06200700c6681596a1d5@[10.0.1.2]>

In response to jennifer's statement below about 
articulating core competencies...

IMLS will be releasing (this Summer) a report 
that addresses the issue of new core competencies 
and skills required of museum (and presumably 
library) professionals.  Marsha Semmel of IMLS 
announced at this past WebWise conference that 
the report will include case studies and a 
strategic assessment tool for library and museum 
practitioners to assess their mastery of various 
skills.

Just an FYI....

Diane



>Deborah et al.,
>
>with the exception of "Cataloguer / Curatorial
>assistant" none of the jobs that i have held at a
>museum are mentioned specifically on that list
>either ;)
>
>the list wasn't presented as 'ideal' or
>'current'. it was constructed as a baseline to
>look at how museum staff are trained [within the
>context of museum studies education.]
>
>i posted it because the team i was working with
>needed to understand how museums were organized,
>and i  couldn't point them to an easily available
>summary.
>
>it would be really useful if MCN could think
>about the kinds of jobs that done by its members,
>and articulate the competencies required. this is
>being done 'for' museums in other areas [like
>Information Science and VR] but in my opinion,
>information-focused programs miss the public
>facing, interpretive aspect of much museum
>technology.
>
>Where's the Museum Tech Job Description registry?
>
>/jt
>
>At 11:54 AM -0400 6/24/09, Deborah Wythe wrote:
>>Her sources for the positions are all 20th
>>century (1994, 1996 and 1997), so I would take
>>the whole thing with a big grain of salt.
>>
>>Photographer's there, but the whole job area of
>>digital media and asset management were barely
>>known in the 90s.
>>
>>That's not to say that we're not all endangered these days!
>>
>>Deborah Wythe
>>Brooklyn Museum
>>deborahwythe at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>   Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:48 -0500
>>>   From: hraatz at artsmia.org
>>>   To: VRA-L at LISTSERV.UARK.EDU; mcn-l at mcn.edu
>>>   Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
>>>
>>>   Good morning all,
>>>
>>>   My morning was significantly disturbed by a
>>>Tweet posted to
>>>https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs:
>>>a summary http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This
>>>shortened URL takes you to Jennifer Trant's
>>>blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.
>>>Attached to the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4
>>>page .pdf document listing various museum jobs
>>>from Director to Membership Clerk, including
>>>staff positions as varied as Planetarium
>>>Director, Studio Manager and Projectionist.
>>>There are NO Visual Resources professionals
>>>included on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're
>>>somehow invisibly included with Digitizing
>>>Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or
>>>Archivist.  I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's
>>>blog and hope to receive a response from her
>>>which I will share with the VRA and MCN
>>>listservs.
>>>
>>>   Coming on the heels of the announcement
>>>regarding the elimination of Leigh Gate's
>>>Visual Resources position at the Art Institute
>>>of Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge
>>>that Melody Ennis (Museum of Art, RISD), Jane
>>>Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl
>>>Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to
>>>the elimination of their staff positions within
>>>the past year,  this blog post is extremely
>>>troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of
>>>awareness and understanding about the role of
>>>Visual Resources professionals in the museum
>>>environment that needs to be addressed.  In
>>>light of overall concerns about the future of
>>>our profession, this may be a timely and
>>>pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR
>>>SIG (special interest group) meeting at the
>>>next Visual Resources Assn. conference in
>>>Atlanta--for those of us museum VR
>>>professionals who still retain jobs and will be
>>>in attendance.
>>>
>>>   Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>>>
>>>   Heidi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
>>>   Minneapolis Institute of Arts
>  >>  2400 Third Avenue South
>>>   Minneapolis, MN 55404
>>>
>>>   (612) 870-3196 |
>>>   (612) 870-3029 - permissions |
>>>   hraatz at artsmia.org |
>>>   permissions at artsmia.org|
>>>   www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ )
>>>
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>>>(http://www.mcn.edu)
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From mmisunas at sfmoma.org  Wed Jun 24 10:49:46 2009
From: mmisunas at sfmoma.org (Misunas, Marla)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:49:46 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
In-Reply-To: <p06200700c6681596a1d5@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl><p0624081ac668092951ff@[192.168.0.100]>
	<p06200700c6681596a1d5@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <45058F8692E66640955EC9882C7C484305567322@monet.SFMOMA.ORG>

MCN was working on core competencies for museum information professionals a while back, that effort is still underway as far as I know.



Marla Misunas
Collections Information Manager
Collections Information and Access
San Francisco Museum of Modern Art
415-357-4186 (voice)

Explore Modern Art
www.sfmoma.org/collections


-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Diane M. Zorich
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:45 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary

In response to jennifer's statement below about 
articulating core competencies...

IMLS will be releasing (this Summer) a report 
that addresses the issue of new core competencies 
and skills required of museum (and presumably 
library) professionals.  Marsha Semmel of IMLS 
announced at this past WebWise conference that 
the report will include case studies and a 
strategic assessment tool for library and museum 
practitioners to assess their mastery of various 
skills.

Just an FYI....

Diane



>Deborah et al.,
>
>with the exception of "Cataloguer / Curatorial
>assistant" none of the jobs that i have held at a
>museum are mentioned specifically on that list
>either ;)
>
>the list wasn't presented as 'ideal' or
>'current'. it was constructed as a baseline to
>look at how museum staff are trained [within the
>context of museum studies education.]
>
>i posted it because the team i was working with
>needed to understand how museums were organized,
>and i  couldn't point them to an easily available
>summary.
>
>it would be really useful if MCN could think
>about the kinds of jobs that done by its members,
>and articulate the competencies required. this is
>being done 'for' museums in other areas [like
>Information Science and VR] but in my opinion,
>information-focused programs miss the public
>facing, interpretive aspect of much museum
>technology.
>
>Where's the Museum Tech Job Description registry?
>
>/jt
>
>At 11:54 AM -0400 6/24/09, Deborah Wythe wrote:
>>Her sources for the positions are all 20th
>>century (1994, 1996 and 1997), so I would take
>>the whole thing with a big grain of salt.
>>
>>Photographer's there, but the whole job area of
>>digital media and asset management were barely
>>known in the 90s.
>>
>>That's not to say that we're not all endangered these days!
>>
>>Deborah Wythe
>>Brooklyn Museum
>>deborahwythe at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>   Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:25:48 -0500
>>>   From: hraatz at artsmia.org
>>>   To: VRA-L at LISTSERV.UARK.EDU; mcn-l at mcn.edu
>>>   Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
>>>
>>>   Good morning all,
>>>
>>>   My morning was significantly disturbed by a
>>>Tweet posted to
>>>https://twitter.com/museummedia, "Museum jobs:
>>>a summary http://bit.ly/7pKto ."  This
>>>shortened URL takes you to Jennifer Trant's
>>>blog on the conference.archimuse.com website.
>>>Attached to the blog post by Ms. Trant is a 4
>>>page .pdf document listing various museum jobs
>>>from Director to Membership Clerk, including
>>>staff positions as varied as Planetarium
>>>Director, Studio Manager and Projectionist.
>>>There are NO Visual Resources professionals
>>>included on the list.  Zero.  Unless we're
>>>somehow invisibly included with Digitizing
>>>Technician/data entry clerk, Librarian or
>>>Archivist.  I've made a comment to Ms. Trant's
>>>blog and hope to receive a response from her
>>>which I will share with the VRA and MCN
>>>listservs.
>>>
>>>   Coming on the heels of the announcement
>>>regarding the elimination of Leigh Gate's
>>>Visual Resources position at the Art Institute
>>>of Chicago, and compounded by the knowledge
>>>that Melody Ennis (Museum of Art, RISD), Jane
>>>Ferger (Indianapolis Museum of Art) and Cheryl
>>>Vogler (St. Louis Art Museum) also lost jobs to
>>>the elimination of their staff positions within
>>>the past year,  this blog post is extremely
>>>troubling.  Clearly there is some lack of
>>>awareness and understanding about the role of
>>>Visual Resources professionals in the museum
>>>environment that needs to be addressed.  In
>>>light of overall concerns about the future of
>>>our profession, this may be a timely and
>>>pertinent topic for discussion at the Museum VR
>>>SIG (special interest group) meeting at the
>>>next Visual Resources Assn. conference in
>>>Atlanta--for those of us museum VR
>>>professionals who still retain jobs and will be
>>>in attendance.
>>>
>>>   Back to my still vital & hopefully valued work.
>>>
>>>   Heidi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Heidi S. Raatz | Visual Resources Librarian
>>>   Minneapolis Institute of Arts
>  >>  2400 Third Avenue South
>>>   Minneapolis, MN 55404
>>>
>>>   (612) 870-3196 |
>>>   (612) 870-3029 - permissions |
>>>   hraatz at artsmia.org |
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From rcherry at balboaparkonline.org  Wed Jun 24 10:51:18 2009
From: rcherry at balboaparkonline.org (Rich Cherry)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCA98@jlm-net.jlm.local>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
	<AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCA98@jlm-net.jlm.local>
Message-ID: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
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From lensteinbach at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 11:37:57 2009
From: lensteinbach at gmail.com (Leonard Steinbach)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl> 
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local> 
	<AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCA98@jlm-net.jlm.local> 
	<0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>
Message-ID: <b07138290906241137o21d8e7d4xafa7e47699a21654@mail.gmail.com>

Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome.. However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From eisenhardt at bostonkids.org  Wed Jun 24 11:57:36 2009
From: eisenhardt at bostonkids.org (Eisenhardt, Chuck)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137B@exchange.artbma.museum>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl><02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>,
	<4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org><AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>,
	<p0624081ac6681163fac0@[192.168.0.8]>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137B@exchange.artbma.museum>
Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2@opus.kidlan.org>

Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed 
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is 
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but 
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a 
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
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From lensteinbach at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 11:58:50 2009
From: lensteinbach at gmail.com (Leonard Steinbach)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2@opus.kidlan.org>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl> 
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local> 
	<4A425DC6.5050301@honoluluacademy.org>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137A@exchange.artbma.museum>
	<p0624081ac6681163fac0@192.168.0.8>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE2137B@exchange.artbma.museum>
	<390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2@opus.kidlan.org>
Message-ID: <b07138290906241158t4478697dy93e9446b3144a53d@mail.gmail.com>

And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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From DWellford at moc.org  Wed Jun 24 12:01:00 2009
From: DWellford at moc.org (Drury Wellford)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl><02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local><AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCA98@jlm-net.jlm.local>
	<0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>
Message-ID: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>

Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
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Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From hraatz at artsmia.org  Wed Jun 24 12:10:03 2009
From: hraatz at artsmia.org (Heidi Raatz)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:10:03 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
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Museum Colleagues,
 
> You've got a forum here, why not start here instead of waiting for the next VR SIG meeting?
 
Good point Bruce!  I see I've been lax in relying on MCN-L as a forum for expressing & discussing topics of concern to museum VR professionals.  Hopefully you all will forgive my oversight.  Though I've been a museum professional for many years my listserv focus has until recently been primarily on VRA-l and ARLIS-l.  Now I know what I've been missing and will try to get up to speed.
 
A fellow MIA staffer Treden Wagoner, our Technology & Training Specialist (also not a museum job on "the list") suggested it may be helpful for MCN to launch a Museum Jobs wiki to which we could all be contributors of information regarding our varied jobs and work responsibilities.  Certainly a different variety of source material than those cited by Jennifer and the forthcoming sources such as the IMLS report per Diane Zorich and MCN efforts mentioned by Marla Misunas.  An interesting idea nevertheless.
 
Thanks all for this thoughtful discussion!  It is actually a relief to know that my job is amongst many "not on the list".  I'm glad I piped up about it too, if for no other reason than to shed light on the fact that the source material purporting to be about museum professions and competencies has not kept pace with the evolution of the professions themselves.  
 
Heidi
 
 
 
 
 
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Minneapolis Institute of Arts
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Minneapolis, MN 55404
 
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   1. Re: Mac vs. PC (Rich Cherry)
   2. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   3. Re: Mac vs. PC (Eisenhardt, Chuck)
   4. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   5. Re: Mac vs. PC (Drury Wellford)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the
diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases.  We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome.. However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the 
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the 
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a 
> strong MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without 
> issues, if the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it 
> depends on the status of the requester in the institution on how good 
> they are supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when 
> I was CIO in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a 
> museum where I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and 
> expanded it and our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow 
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning 
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are 
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about 
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based 
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with 
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an 
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it 
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has 
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie. somehow
not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement,
is unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the platforms
are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely a matter of
packaging the same technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a hardware
switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put
it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first'
applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and 'tie
the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff
L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates), and
unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of patches
and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Wyman
[bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and 
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated last in
April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with Active Directory
available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the browser
or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no problems over
the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled network. In fact, half
of the Technology Department uses OS X with virtualized windows
environments.

-bw.
--
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-=-=-=-=
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational 
> preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie. 
> somehow not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or 
> prejudgement, is unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the 
> platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely 
> a matter of packaging the same technology, starting with very basic 
> audience expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a 
> hardware switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in 
> the iMac) put it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I 
> recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or 
> 'Mac-first' applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and 
> 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS 
> (updates), and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters 
> your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of 
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce 
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and 
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated 
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with 
> Active Directory available at 
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Act
> iv 
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Bes
> t_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the 
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s
> =3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no 
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled 
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with 
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002 
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org> 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we are
already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Rich
Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from the
diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases.  We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From wjahsman at parkcitycon.com  Wed Jun 24 13:01:58 2009
From: wjahsman at parkcitycon.com (william jahsman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [MCN-L] Fw: Grant Opportunity Reminder from NEDCC
Message-ID: <436548.8014.qm@web608.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A grant some of you SMEs out there might be interested in.

Bill Jahsman
Park City Consulting
435-901-0200


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From jfevans at Princeton.EDU  Wed Jun 24 16:01:47 2009
From: jfevans at Princeton.EDU (Jeff Evans)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl><02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local><AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCA98@jlm-net.jlm.local>
	<0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC8ABA@MAILR005.mail.lan>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <1869DBA4-6669-472D-BDD1-2C2C4066070F@princeton.edu>

Drury, Rich is right.  You wont have any real troubles, unless youre  
working with something exotic.  Most of the issues are only user  
related.  Be sure to have your imaging and color management performed  
on a Mac (for a bunch of reasons) but with some common sense workflow  
decisions everything will be fine.  And if your doing any in-house  
printing, you'll like that better on a Mac too.

My personal opinion is that most mac users I have worked with are  
somewhat more self sufficient than the PC users and can handle the  
smaller issues before they become bigger issues and need an IT person  
to assist.

Please dont start a string with that :)

jeff


Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
609.258.8579
www.princetonartmuseum.org




On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Drury Wellford wrote:

> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get  
> as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a  
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without  
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on  
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was  
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum  
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it  
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org  Wed Jun 24 16:51:55 2009
From: cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org (Chris Scrofani)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:55 -1000
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
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	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <4A42BC1B.4000902@honoluluacademy.org>

Cheer up!  You'll learn a lot, and if you ignore Apple's smug 
advertising, you might even learn to like the Macs.

Chris

--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org



Drury Wellford wrote:
> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
> our users benefited from the diversity.  
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From jbedard at artsmia.org  Thu Jun 25 06:01:58 2009
From: jbedard at artsmia.org (John Bedard)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:01:58 -0500
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org>
	<BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <4A432EF6.50A4.0031.0@artsmia.org>

Interesting reading all the responses that this post generated.  Some emotional and very thoughtful.
 
One point not made is that Apple does not provide the same type of support and advance look on products to enterprises that Microsoft does, it seems to ignore the business market in favor or providing the consumer with the "wow" factor.  And then let consumers work to get Macs, iphones, etc. into the enterprise.  It avoids marketing to the enterprise.
 
This is one point that is constantly made in the computer trade press, that Apple seems to intentionally ignore the enterprise market.  
 
This doesn't imply that their products are appropriate or not, just that they don't really market to enterprises.  So most enterprises will not put any priority in implementing their products.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
John R. Bedard  |  Director of Information Systems
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404

612-870-3268  |  JBedard at artsmia.org  |  www.artsmia.org ( http://www.artsmia.org/ )

>>> "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org> 6/24/2009 11:23 AM >>>
Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
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From MEvely at IWM.ORG.UK  Thu Jun 25 06:04:50 2009
From: MEvely at IWM.ORG.UK (Mark Evely)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:50 +0100
Subject: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs PC
Message-ID: <sa438438.082@crozier.iwm.org.uk>

My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?

More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and using
a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then you
use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which does
not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers. plenty
of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.

So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
different gamma than a PC. 

Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper than a
high end camera system.

Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.



Mark Evely

Digital Systems Manager
Collection Management
020 7091 3081
07976 297034


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   5. Re: Mac vs. PC (Drury Wellford)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
(at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with
no MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on
an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed 
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is 
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but 
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a 
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org 
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's
and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org 
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD
and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

>
e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
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From richard at rnaphoto.com  Thu Jun 25 06:31:29 2009
From: richard at rnaphoto.com (Richard Anderson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:31:29 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs PC
In-Reply-To: <sa438438.082@crozier.iwm.org.uk>
References: <sa438438.082@crozier.iwm.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4E151409-E41D-43C3-AE77-315C68AD6072@rnaphoto.com>

Mark-

While it's true that an uncalibrated Mac defaults to 1.8 gamma-If the  
24" Mac is calibrated and profiled to 2.2 Gamma- then it doesn't have  
a different gamma than PC.

Richard Anderson, ASMP Digital Standards Chair




On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mark Evely wrote:

> My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?
>
> More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
> you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
> corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and  
> using
> a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then  
> you
> use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which  
> does
> not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers.  
> plenty
> of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.
>
> So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
> right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
> different gamma than a PC.
>
> Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
> certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper  
> than a
> high end camera system.
>
> Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
> age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
> may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
> touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.
>
>
>
> Mark Evely
>
> Digital Systems Manager
> Collection Management
> 020 7091 3081
> 07976 297034
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
> From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a  
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without  
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on  
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was  
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum  
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it  
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
> organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
> Mac
> Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
>
> The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
> efficacy;
> most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
> However,
> in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
> should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
> (at
> least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
> wide
> variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives  
> you
> the
> win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
> for
> staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
> got
> we're getting and now you gotta support it."
>
> One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
> support
> expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
> reaches a
> peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
> Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
> resource).
>
> So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
> otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
> that
> access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
> in
> place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
> IT
> staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
> <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
>
>> Drury,
>>
>> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
>> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
> the
>> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong MAC
>> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT
>> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of
>> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
> (sometimes
>> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with
> no MAC
>> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
> MAC
>> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
> from the
>> diversity.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Drury Wellford
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
>> museum professionals.
>>
>> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
> scanning
>> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
>> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
>> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
>> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
> with
>> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on
> an
>> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
> it
>> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
>> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>>
>> Drury Wellford
>>
>> Ann Drury Wellford
>> Photo Services Manager
>> The Museum of the Confederacy
>> 1201 East Clay Street
>> Richmond, VA  23219
>> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
>> Fax: (804) 644-7150
>> www.moc.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
> From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
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> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>> user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
> e_Directory.pdf>
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
> =-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
> j
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
> eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>>
>> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
>> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
>> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
>> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
>> unseemly.
>>
>> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
>> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
>> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
>> technology, starting with very basic audience
>> expectations.
>>
>> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
>> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
>> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
>> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
>> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>>
>> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
>> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
>> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
>> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>>
>> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
>> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>>
>> Chuck Eisenhardt
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Boston Children's Museum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Jeff L. La Clair
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
>> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
> network
>> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
>> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's
> and
>> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
>> Jeff
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Bruce
>> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD
> and
>>> user profiles (when roaming).
>>
>> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
>> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
>> Active Directory available at
>>
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
>>
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf 
> >
>>>
>>
>> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
>> browser or download) at
>>
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
>> 01>
>> covering much of the same material.
>>
>> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
>> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
>> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
>> virtualized windows environments.
>>
>> -bw.
>> --
>>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
> =-=
>> -=-=-=-=
>> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
>> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
>> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
>> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
> From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
> we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
> if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From ksiplon at thewalters.org  Thu Jun 25 06:54:49 2009
From: ksiplon at thewalters.org (Kate Siplon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:54:49 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Hello all, I'm interested if anyone has experience with mixing in Mac
servers in a primarily Windows-based network architecture. 

I agree with all the perspectives shared in this thread as related to
workstations, computing-culture and end-user satisfaction. The question
of servers does not affect the end-user outside of the IT department. So
assuming our IT department could support it, is there any benefit to
hosting a DAMS system or any other large, media-asset store on a Mac
server versus a Windows box? I realize this is a digression from the
original intent of this post, but I'd be grateful for any feedback. 

Thanks!  

Kate Siplon
Administrator, Museum Databases
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Mac vs. PC (Rich Cherry)
   2. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   3. Re: Mac vs. PC (Eisenhardt, Chuck)
   4. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   5. Re: Mac vs. PC (Drury Wellford)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no
MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed 
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is 
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but 
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a 
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
<bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_
Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED at MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From DWellford at moc.org  Thu Jun 25 06:59:33 2009
From: DWellford at moc.org (Drury Wellford)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:59:33 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs PC
In-Reply-To: <sa438438.082@crozier.iwm.org.uk>
References: <sa438438.082@crozier.iwm.org.uk>
Message-ID: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200F64@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>

Thank you all so much for your input.  Your comments have been a
tremendous help to us!

Mark - The 24" Mac was recommended because of the color quality on the
monitor.  We do always use a color chart on our scans, and we may be
following your recommendations if our IT department is too resistant to
the idea of the Mac.

The move from 1861 to 2009 is not always an easy one!

Drury

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Mark Evely
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:05 AM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs PC

My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?

More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and using
a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then you
use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which does
not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers. plenty
of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.

So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
different gamma than a PC. 

Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper than a
high end camera system.

Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.



Mark Evely

Digital Systems Manager
Collection Management
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   1. Re: Mac vs. PC (Rich Cherry)
   2. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   3. Re: Mac vs. PC (Eisenhardt, Chuck)
   4. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
   5. Re: Mac vs. PC (Drury Wellford)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
(at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with
no MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on
an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed 
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is 
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but 
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a 
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org 
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
<bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's
and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org 
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD
and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

>
e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_
Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org 
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From scott.hisey at cincyart.org  Thu Jun 25 07:18:09 2009
From: scott.hisey at cincyart.org (SCOTT HISEY)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:18:09 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
Message-ID: <BDC1A1D3-C374-4FB0-A66A-70969F645336@cincyart.org>

Greetings all,

I am happy to have found the MCN list serve!  On the point regarding  
Mac vs. PC, I had a few thoughts based from our experiences at the  
Cincinnati Art Museum.  If your institution is PC based, as most are,  
you might want to consider sticking with the PC at least for the first  
phase of your digitization project.  Photoshop, Lightroom, scanning  
software, etc., will all run just as well on a PC, provided it is set  
up properly.  The other advantage is that you can reap the benefits of  
technical support from your IT department.  After you scan your 6000  
photographs, you might find issue with the PC imaging workstation and  
make the jump to Apple.  If you do invest in Apple equipment, I would  
highly suggest purchasing a tower rather than the 24" imac.  You will   
have more flexibility in the future with regards to adding RAM or  
other hardware.  I also am not a fan of the IMAC's display for color  
critical work.  As far as image file compatibility, this is really a  
non issue, provided you implement an appropriate file naming  
convention.  Be careful with the external hard drive storage.  Be sure  
to create some redundancy and I would back everything up on a set of  
external hard drives that remain offline and unplugged.  Hard drives  
fail when they run continuously.  Think of your imaging workstation as  
just that.  If you go with Apple, you will still be producing TIFF  
image files.  This is a published, non proprietary file format and you  
will be able to open most file formats on either machine.  If you are  
the only Apple user in the building the burden of operating system and  
software upgrades is solely on your department budget.

Good Luck,


Scott Hisey
Head of Photographic Services
Cincinnati Art Museum
953 Eden Park Drive
Cincinnati, OH 45202
513.639.2874
scott.hisey at cincyart.org
http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org 

From Jlaclair at artbma.org  Thu Jun 25 07:48:00 2009
From: Jlaclair at artbma.org (Jeff L. La Clair)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:48:00 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
In-Reply-To: <BDC1A1D3-C374-4FB0-A66A-70969F645336@cincyart.org>
References: <BDC1A1D3-C374-4FB0-A66A-70969F645336@cincyart.org>
Message-ID: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE21380@exchange.artbma.museum>

I Agree, I would go with a larger MAC power horse, this way you can upgrade the memory, HD space, and even replace the video card when needed.
If you are a small institution I would recommend saving your images to a DROBO or LACIE type unit with raid level 5.  I would also recommend if possible archiving the images TIFF - 1.) to your network server for D2D backup or to Tape.  (Camera's - 2.)  Saving your RAWS to 2 separate External HD's, one for onsite retrieval and one also for offsite (If you are doing image capture from high end camera's)).
One of the better monitors would be a LACIE type (this is what our photographer uses, or the MAC monitor is good... I believe the spectrum of colors is greater though with the Lacie (for photographing).

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of SCOTT HISEY [scott.hisey at cincyart.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:18 AM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)

Greetings all,

I am happy to have found the MCN list serve!  On the point regarding
Mac vs. PC, I had a few thoughts based from our experiences at the
Cincinnati Art Museum.  If your institution is PC based, as most are,
you might want to consider sticking with the PC at least for the first
phase of your digitization project.  Photoshop, Lightroom, scanning
software, etc., will all run just as well on a PC, provided it is set
up properly.  The other advantage is that you can reap the benefits of
technical support from your IT department.  After you scan your 6000
photographs, you might find issue with the PC imaging workstation and
make the jump to Apple.  If you do invest in Apple equipment, I would
highly suggest purchasing a tower rather than the 24" imac.  You will
have more flexibility in the future with regards to adding RAM or
other hardware.  I also am not a fan of the IMAC's display for color
critical work.  As far as image file compatibility, this is really a
non issue, provided you implement an appropriate file naming
convention.  Be careful with the external hard drive storage.  Be sure
to create some redundancy and I would back everything up on a set of
external hard drives that remain offline and unplugged.  Hard drives
fail when they run continuously.  Think of your imaging workstation as
just that.  If you go with Apple, you will still be producing TIFF
image files.  This is a published, non proprietary file format and you
will be able to open most file formats on either machine.  If you are
the only Apple user in the building the burden of operating system and
software upgrades is solely on your department budget.

Good Luck,


Scott Hisey
Head of Photographic Services
Cincinnati Art Museum
953 Eden Park Drive
Cincinnati, OH 45202
513.639.2874
scott.hisey at cincyart.org
http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org
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From julie_swiderski at harvard.edu  Thu Jun 25 08:29:05 2009
From: julie_swiderski at harvard.edu (julie swiderski)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:29:05 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
In-Reply-To: <AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE21380@exchange.artbma.museum>
References: <BDC1A1D3-C374-4FB0-A66A-70969F645336@cincyart.org>
	<AC3E9112C60B5340B9E809EF8A60427703EDE21380@exchange.artbma.museum>
Message-ID: <1245943745.4a4397c1215d6@webmail.fas.harvard.edu>

actually a better monitor for color critical work on a mac is the eizo, the
color edge cg19 is what im using here.


Quoting "Jeff L. La Clair" <Jlaclair at artbma.org>:

> I Agree, I would go with a larger MAC power horse, this way you can upgrade
> the memory, HD space, and even replace the video card when needed.
> If you are a small institution I would recommend saving your images to a
> DROBO or LACIE type unit with raid level 5.  I would also recommend if
> possible archiving the images TIFF - 1.) to your network server for D2D
> backup or to Tape.  (Camera's - 2.)  Saving your RAWS to 2 separate External
> HD's, one for onsite retrieval and one also for offsite (If you are doing
> image capture from high end camera's)).
> One of the better monitors would be a LACIE type (this is what our
> photographer uses, or the MAC monitor is good... I believe the spectrum of
> colors is greater though with the Lacie (for photographing).
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of SCOTT HISEY
> [scott.hisey at cincyart.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
> Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I am happy to have found the MCN list serve!  On the point regarding
> Mac vs. PC, I had a few thoughts based from our experiences at the
> Cincinnati Art Museum.  If your institution is PC based, as most are,
> you might want to consider sticking with the PC at least for the first
> phase of your digitization project.  Photoshop, Lightroom, scanning
> software, etc., will all run just as well on a PC, provided it is set
> up properly.  The other advantage is that you can reap the benefits of
> technical support from your IT department.  After you scan your 6000
> photographs, you might find issue with the PC imaging workstation and
> make the jump to Apple.  If you do invest in Apple equipment, I would
> highly suggest purchasing a tower rather than the 24" imac.  You will
> have more flexibility in the future with regards to adding RAM or
> other hardware.  I also am not a fan of the IMAC's display for color
> critical work.  As far as image file compatibility, this is really a
> non issue, provided you implement an appropriate file naming
> convention.  Be careful with the external hard drive storage.  Be sure
> to create some redundancy and I would back everything up on a set of
> external hard drives that remain offline and unplugged.  Hard drives
> fail when they run continuously.  Think of your imaging workstation as
> just that.  If you go with Apple, you will still be producing TIFF
> image files.  This is a published, non proprietary file format and you
> will be able to open most file formats on either machine.  If you are
> the only Apple user in the building the burden of operating system and
> software upgrades is solely on your department budget.
>
> Good Luck,
>
>
> Scott Hisey
> Head of Photographic Services
> Cincinnati Art Museum
> 953 Eden Park Drive
> Cincinnati, OH 45202
> 513.639.2874
> scott.hisey at cincyart.org
> http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org
> _______________________________________________
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> Network (http://www.mcn.edu)
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From Tfullerton at vmfa.state.va.us  Thu Jun 25 08:38:43 2009
From: Tfullerton at vmfa.state.va.us (Travis Fullerton)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:38:43 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
In-Reply-To: <1245943745.4a4397c1215d6@webmail.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <C6691243.4139%Tfullerton@vmfa.state.va.us>

I don't want to feed the "tastes great - less filling" debate, but if you
decide to go with a Mac then I agree a tower is the way to go. The iMac
monitors are glossy, which can be troublesome for critical image work. We
are using both Eizo and Mac Cinema Display monitors, and after careful
profiling, they both perform well. Though we do reserve the Eizo for really
critical work since they have a broader gamma.

I will also add that we are on a government managed, strict PC environment
and our IT staff has integrated our Macs very well throughout the system.


Travis Fullerton
Assistant Photographer
Photography Department

Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
200 N Boulevard / Richmond, VA 23220-4007
T 804.340.1538 / F 804.340.1548
travis.fullerton at vmfa.museum

www.vmfa.museum


 

On 6/25/09 11:29 AM, "julie swiderski" <julie_swiderski at harvard.edu> wrote:

> actually a better monitor for color critical work on a mac is the eizo, the
> color edge cg19 is what im using here.
> 
> 
> Quoting "Jeff L. La Clair" <Jlaclair at artbma.org>:
> 
>> I Agree, I would go with a larger MAC power horse, this way you can upgrade
>> the memory, HD space, and even replace the video card when needed.
>> If you are a small institution I would recommend saving your images to a
>> DROBO or LACIE type unit with raid level 5.  I would also recommend if
>> possible archiving the images TIFF - 1.) to your network server for D2D
>> backup or to Tape.  (Camera's - 2.)  Saving your RAWS to 2 separate External
>> HD's, one for onsite retrieval and one also for offsite (If you are doing
>> image capture from high end camera's)).
>> One of the better monitors would be a LACIE type (this is what our
>> photographer uses, or the MAC monitor is good... I believe the spectrum of
>> colors is greater though with the Lacie (for photographing).
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of SCOTT HISEY
>> [scott.hisey at cincyart.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:18 AM
>> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
>> Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
>> 
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> I am happy to have found the MCN list serve!  On the point regarding
>> Mac vs. PC, I had a few thoughts based from our experiences at the
>> Cincinnati Art Museum.  If your institution is PC based, as most are,
>> you might want to consider sticking with the PC at least for the first
>> phase of your digitization project.  Photoshop, Lightroom, scanning
>> software, etc., will all run just as well on a PC, provided it is set
>> up properly.  The other advantage is that you can reap the benefits of
>> technical support from your IT department.  After you scan your 6000
>> photographs, you might find issue with the PC imaging workstation and
>> make the jump to Apple.  If you do invest in Apple equipment, I would
>> highly suggest purchasing a tower rather than the 24" imac.  You will
>> have more flexibility in the future with regards to adding RAM or
>> other hardware.  I also am not a fan of the IMAC's display for color
>> critical work.  As far as image file compatibility, this is really a
>> non issue, provided you implement an appropriate file naming
>> convention.  Be careful with the external hard drive storage.  Be sure
>> to create some redundancy and I would back everything up on a set of
>> external hard drives that remain offline and unplugged.  Hard drives
>> fail when they run continuously.  Think of your imaging workstation as
>> just that.  If you go with Apple, you will still be producing TIFF
>> image files.  This is a published, non proprietary file format and you
>> will be able to open most file formats on either machine.  If you are
>> the only Apple user in the building the burden of operating system and
>> software upgrades is solely on your department budget.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Hisey
>> Head of Photographic Services
>> Cincinnati Art Museum
>> 953 Eden Park Drive
>> Cincinnati, OH 45202
>> 513.639.2874
>> scott.hisey at cincyart.org
>> http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer
>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu)
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From SchmitzfuhrigL at si.edu  Thu Jun 25 08:48:07 2009
From: SchmitzfuhrigL at si.edu (Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:48:07 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
References: <4A41FF2C.2603.00CC.0@artsmia.org><BLU126-W64EB76A28870205F29ED7CF370@phx.gbl>
	<02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EBB@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
Message-ID: <86E4DD54352CC94DA7B41F550E349F78F8154A@SI-ECL03.US.SINET.SI.EDU>

Hello Drury,
We use an Epson 10000XL for our digitization work. The images are
scanned into a Mac and are saved as TIFF files (with a file extension of
.tif) with a Windows Byte Order. The images are transferred from the Mac
to one of our network servers. We do QA from our PCs. Typically, the
images open fine on the PC. Once in a while they have to be resaved on
the Mac to make sure the Windows format was selected and the extension
is .tif and not .tiff.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have additional questions.


Good luck,
Lynda 


Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Smithsonian Institution Archives

Electronic Records Division

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:23 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From DWellford at moc.org  Thu Jun 25 08:57:10 2009
From: DWellford at moc.org (Drury Wellford)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:57:10 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
In-Reply-To: <C6691243.4139%Tfullerton@vmfa.state.va.us>
References: <1245943745.4a4397c1215d6@webmail.fas.harvard.edu>
	<C6691243.4139%Tfullerton@vmfa.state.va.us>
Message-ID: <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200F8F@MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>

Thanks Travis.  As you can imagine, budget is a major concern for us as
we are a small, private, non-profit. Budget concerns for state entities
such as VMFA is a whole different ball game.

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Travis Fullerton
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:39 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)

I don't want to feed the "tastes great - less filling" debate, but if
you
decide to go with a Mac then I agree a tower is the way to go. The iMac
monitors are glossy, which can be troublesome for critical image work.
We
are using both Eizo and Mac Cinema Display monitors, and after careful
profiling, they both perform well. Though we do reserve the Eizo for
really
critical work since they have a broader gamma.

I will also add that we are on a government managed, strict PC
environment
and our IT staff has integrated our Macs very well throughout the
system.


Travis Fullerton
Assistant Photographer
Photography Department

Virginia Museum of Fine Arts
200 N Boulevard / Richmond, VA 23220-4007
T 804.340.1538 / F 804.340.1548
travis.fullerton at vmfa.museum

www.vmfa.museum


 

On 6/25/09 11:29 AM, "julie swiderski" <julie_swiderski at harvard.edu>
wrote:

> actually a better monitor for color critical work on a mac is the
eizo, the
> color edge cg19 is what im using here.
> 
> 
> Quoting "Jeff L. La Clair" <Jlaclair at artbma.org>:
> 
>> I Agree, I would go with a larger MAC power horse, this way you can
upgrade
>> the memory, HD space, and even replace the video card when needed.
>> If you are a small institution I would recommend saving your images
to a
>> DROBO or LACIE type unit with raid level 5.  I would also recommend
if
>> possible archiving the images TIFF - 1.) to your network server for
D2D
>> backup or to Tape.  (Camera's - 2.)  Saving your RAWS to 2 separate
External
>> HD's, one for onsite retrieval and one also for offsite (If you are
doing
>> image capture from high end camera's)).
>> One of the better monitors would be a LACIE type (this is what our
>> photographer uses, or the MAC monitor is good... I believe the
spectrum of
>> colors is greater though with the Lacie (for photographing).
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
SCOTT HISEY
>> [scott.hisey at cincyart.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:18 AM
>> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
>> Subject: [MCN-L] mac vs. pc (Scott Hisey)
>> 
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> I am happy to have found the MCN list serve!  On the point regarding
>> Mac vs. PC, I had a few thoughts based from our experiences at the
>> Cincinnati Art Museum.  If your institution is PC based, as most are,
>> you might want to consider sticking with the PC at least for the
first
>> phase of your digitization project.  Photoshop, Lightroom, scanning
>> software, etc., will all run just as well on a PC, provided it is set
>> up properly.  The other advantage is that you can reap the benefits
of
>> technical support from your IT department.  After you scan your 6000
>> photographs, you might find issue with the PC imaging workstation and
>> make the jump to Apple.  If you do invest in Apple equipment, I would
>> highly suggest purchasing a tower rather than the 24" imac.  You will
>> have more flexibility in the future with regards to adding RAM or
>> other hardware.  I also am not a fan of the IMAC's display for color
>> critical work.  As far as image file compatibility, this is really a
>> non issue, provided you implement an appropriate file naming
>> convention.  Be careful with the external hard drive storage.  Be
sure
>> to create some redundancy and I would back everything up on a set of
>> external hard drives that remain offline and unplugged.  Hard drives
>> fail when they run continuously.  Think of your imaging workstation
as
>> just that.  If you go with Apple, you will still be producing TIFF
>> image files.  This is a published, non proprietary file format and
you
>> will be able to open most file formats on either machine.  If you are
>> the only Apple user in the building the burden of operating system
and
>> software upgrades is solely on your department budget.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Hisey
>> Head of Photographic Services
>> Cincinnati Art Museum
>> 953 Eden Park Drive
>> Cincinnati, OH 45202
>> 513.639.2874
>> scott.hisey at cincyart.org
>> http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum
Computer
>> Network (http://www.mcn.edu)
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From irene.van.bavel at pch.gc.ca  Thu Jun 25 08:58:47 2009
From: irene.van.bavel at pch.gc.ca (irene.van.bavel at pch.gc.ca)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:58:47 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
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The Canadian Heritage Information Network (CHIN) recently completed a study
that addresses new competencies in museums, and especially the impact that
technology has had on the museum worker and Museum Studies Programs in
Canada and in the US.  The study was undertaken by faculty members in the
Faculty of Information at the University of Toronto and will be available
this Fall at www.chin.gc.ca.

Irene van Bavel
Partnership and Programs Analyst
Canadian Heritage Information Network  (CHIN)




                                                                           
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:10:03 -0500
From: "Heidi Raatz" <hraatz at artsmia.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Museum Jobs: A Summary
To: <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Museum Colleagues,

> You've got a forum here, why not start here instead of waiting for the
next VR SIG meeting?

Good point Bruce!  I see I've been lax in relying on MCN-L as a forum for
expressing & discussing topics of concern to museum VR professionals.
Hopefully you all will forgive my oversight.  Though I've been a museum
professional for many years my listserv focus has until recently been
primarily on VRA-l and ARLIS-l.  Now I know what I've been missing and will
try to get up to speed.

A fellow MIA staffer Treden Wagoner, our Technology & Training Specialist
(also not a museum job on "the list") suggested it may be helpful for MCN
to launch a Museum Jobs wiki to which we could all be contributors of
information regarding our varied jobs and work responsibilities.  Certainly
a different variety of source material than those cited by Jennifer and the
forthcoming sources such as the IMLS report per Diane Zorich and MCN
efforts mentioned by Marla Misunas.  An interesting idea nevertheless.

Thanks all for this thoughtful discussion!  It is actually a relief to know
that my job is amongst many "not on the list".  I'm glad I piped up about
it too, if for no other reason than to shed light on the fact that the
source material purporting to be about museum professions and competencies
has not kept pace with the evolution of the professions themselves.

Heidi





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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from
the
diversity.

Rich



-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases.  We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome.. However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it
> depends on the status of the requester in the institution on how good
> they are supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when
> I was CIO in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a
> museum where I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and
> expanded it and our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie. somehow
not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or
prejudgement,
is unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the platforms
are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely a matter of
packaging the same technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations.

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a hardware
switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put
it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first'
applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and 'tie
the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Jeff
L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
and
unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches
and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman
[bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated last in
April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with Active Directory
available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the browser
or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no problems
over
the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled network. In fact, half
of the Technology Department uses OS X with virtualized windows
environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
> preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie.
> somehow not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or
> prejudgement, is unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the
> platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely
> a matter of packaging the same technology, starting with very basic
> audience expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a
> hardware switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in
> the iMac) put it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
> recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or
> 'Mac-first' applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and
> 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates), and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters
> your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Act
> iv
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Bes
> t_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s
> =3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain;            charset="us-ascii"

Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
are
already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org


-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Rich
Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from
the
diversity.

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases.  We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
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The Museum of the Confederacy
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: william jahsman <wjahsman at parkcitycon.com>
Subject: [MCN-L] Fw: Grant Opportunity Reminder from NEDCC
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
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A grant some of you SMEs out there might be interested in.

Bill Jahsman
Park City Consulting
435-901-0200


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
From: Jeff Evans <jfevans at Princeton.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <1869DBA4-6669-472D-BDD1-2C2C4066070F at princeton.edu>
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Drury, Rich is right.  You wont have any real troubles, unless youre
working with something exotic.  Most of the issues are only user
related.  Be sure to have your imaging and color management performed
on a Mac (for a bunch of reasons) but with some common sense workflow
decisions everything will be fine.  And if your doing any in-house
printing, you'll like that better on a Mac too.

My personal opinion is that most mac users I have worked with are
somewhat more self sufficient than the PC users and can handle the
smaller issues before they become bigger issues and need an IT person
to assist.

Please dont start a string with that :)

jeff


Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
609.258.8579
www.princetonartmuseum.org




On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Drury Wellford wrote:

> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get
> as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:55 -1000
From: Chris Scrofani <cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Cheer up!  You'll learn a lot, and if you ignore Apple's smug
advertising, you might even learn to like the Macs.

Chris

--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org



Drury Wellford wrote:
> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:01:58 -0500
From: "John Bedard" <jbedard at artsmia.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Interesting reading all the responses that this post generated.  Some
emotional and very thoughtful.

One point not made is that Apple does not provide the same type of support
and advance look on products to enterprises that Microsoft does, it seems
to ignore the business market in favor or providing the consumer with the
"wow" factor.  And then let consumers work to get Macs, iphones, etc. into
the enterprise.  It avoids marketing to the enterprise.

This is one point that is constantly made in the computer trade press, that
Apple seems to intentionally ignore the enterprise market.

This doesn't imply that their products are appropriate or not, just that
they don't really market to enterprises.  So most enterprises will not put
any priority in implementing their products.










John R. Bedard  |  Director of Information Systems
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404

612-870-3268  |  JBedard at artsmia.org  |  www.artsmia.org (
http://www.artsmia.org/ )

>>> "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org> 6/24/2009 11:23 AM >>>
Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:50 +0100
From: "Mark Evely" <MEvely at IWM.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs
             PC
To: <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?

More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and using
a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then you
use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which does
not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers. plenty
of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.

So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
different gamma than a PC.

Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper than a
high end camera system.

Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.



Mark Evely

Digital Systems Manager
Collection Management
020 7091 3081
07976 297034


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
(at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with
no MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on
an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;            charset="us-ascii"

Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations.

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's
and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD
and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ

>
e_Directory.pdf<
http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf
>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3

> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org


-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
and
our users benefited from the diversity.

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:31:29 -0400
From: Richard Anderson <richard at rnaphoto.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs
             PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Mark-

While it's true that an uncalibrated Mac defaults to 1.8 gamma-If the
24" Mac is calibrated and profiled to 2.2 Gamma- then it doesn't have
a different gamma than PC.

Richard Anderson, ASMP Digital Standards Chair




On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mark Evely wrote:

> My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?
>
> More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
> you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
> corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and
> using
> a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then
> you
> use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which
> does
> not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers.
> plenty
> of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.
>
> So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
> right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
> different gamma than a PC.
>
> Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
> certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper
> than a
> high end camera system.
>
> Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
> age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
> may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
> touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.
>
>
>
> Mark Evely
>
> Digital Systems Manager
> Collection Management
> 020 7091 3081
> 07976 297034
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
> From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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>
> Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
> organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
> Mac
> Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
>
> The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
> efficacy;
> most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
> However,
> in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
> should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
> (at
> least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
> wide
> variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives
> you
> the
> win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
> for
> staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
> got
> we're getting and now you gotta support it."
>
> One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
> support
> expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
> reaches a
> peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
> Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
> resource).
>
> So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
> otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
> that
> access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
> in
> place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
> IT
> staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
> <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
>
>> Drury,
>>
>> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
>> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
> the
>> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong MAC
>> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT
>> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of
>> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
> (sometimes
>> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with
> no MAC
>> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
> MAC
>> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
> from the
>> diversity.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Drury Wellford
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
>> museum professionals.
>>
>> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
> scanning
>> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
>> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
>> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
>> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
> with
>> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on
> an
>> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
> it
>> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
>> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>>
>> Drury Wellford
>>
>> Ann Drury Wellford
>> Photo Services Manager
>> The Museum of the Confederacy
>> 1201 East Clay Street
>> Richmond, VA  23219
>> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
>> Fax: (804) 644-7150
>> www.moc.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
> From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;          charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>> user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
> e_Directory.pdf>
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
>            <b07138290906241158t4478697dy93e9446b3144a53d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
> j
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
> eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>>
>> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
>> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
>> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
>> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
>> unseemly.
>>
>> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
>> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
>> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
>> technology, starting with very basic audience
>> expectations.
>>
>> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
>> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
>> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
>> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
>> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>>
>> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
>> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
>> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
>> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>>
>> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
>> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>>
>> Chuck Eisenhardt
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Boston Children's Museum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Jeff L. La Clair
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
>> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
> network
>> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
>> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's
> and
>> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
>> Jeff
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Bruce
>> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD
> and
>>> user profiles (when roaming).
>>
>> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
>> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
>> Active Directory available at
>>
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
>>
> e_Directory.pdf<
http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf

> >
>>>
>>
>> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
>> browser or download) at
>>
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
>> 01>
>> covering much of the same material.
>>
>> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
>> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
>> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
>> virtualized windows environments.
>>
>> -bw.
>> --
>>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=
>> -=-=-=-=
>> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
>> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
>> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
>> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
> From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
> we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
> if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From aridavidow at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 09:11:49 2009
From: aridavidow at gmail.com (Ari Davidow)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:49 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Anybody using Convio for eletters? How do =you= maintain an
	active, positive e-connection with your community?
Message-ID: <747cfaf50906250911p1460bafx3bf34c8a07e25ebe@mail.gmail.com>

At least once a week I get email from Convio suggesting that we want
to use their services to do more with our e-communications. They are
absolutely correct that managing e-communications with Constant
Contact doesn't do much for us--there are no tools to easily segment
users or to maintain good information, nor are there particularly good
tools for synccing what we have in CC back to our donor database. (CC
does enable relatively untrained staff to compose and send good
e-communications on their own using templates which our in-house
designer set up ages ago, which is a major plus.)

What Convio says about their services sounds good, but all I know is
that their websites (which is not e-mail communications) violate
(violated?) lots of basic usability guidelines and while I can find
people who use Convio, I have not found people who use Convio and
encourage me to do the same.

But, I absolutely feel committed to finding a way to develop our
mailing lists and e-letters in ways that better serve subscribers and
us, something that I can do with CC only if I export data back to my
own database, analyze, then upload back to CC (and don't even ask what
that does to our ability to confirm, to CC's satisfaction, that we are
only emailing people who have opted in voluntarily and knowingly).

At the moment, it looks like "build my own" or "use Convio".

Is there someone working in this area who uses and loves Convio? Is
there some other vendor who does the same, and who maintains that
ability we have with CC of supporting flexible e-mail creation that
doesn't require HTML skills?

What are other people's experiences?
Ari

From kamoroso at mainehistory.org  Thu Jun 25 09:22:57 2009
From: kamoroso at mainehistory.org (Kathy Amoroso)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:57 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1245945290.398.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
References: <mailman.36.1245945290.398.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <fc.007ea64d005974f73b9aca000e9226e7.5974fe@agdog.com>

I am just going to chime in here. At the Maine Historical Society we have
been using Macs in our digital department since 1999 because the director
of that department preferred Macs. He has since left and we are all
converts. We have a network in the organization that is mostly PC but the
Maine Memory Network office and the education offices are all Mac. We do
have to have 2 tech companies help us because one knows Macs and PC (but
doesn't want to work on our PCs) and the other guy knows primarily PCs.
They take care of all the networking and it's pretty smooth. We just find
the Macs to be more reliable and easier to install software, etc. 

My 2 cents.

Kathy
************************
Kathy Bolduc Amoroso
Director of Digital Projects 
kamoroso at mainehistory.org or kathy at mainememory.net
Maine Historical Society, 489 Congress Street, Portland, ME 04101
(207)774-1822 x227 |  www.mainehistory.org | www.mainememory.net



From owen.sopotiuk at ubc.ca  Thu Jun 25 09:24:41 2009
From: owen.sopotiuk at ubc.ca (Owen Sopotiuk)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:24:41 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Collection and Archive Management Software for a small
	museum
Message-ID: <BCFBF22A-ADE0-45A0-BFBD-F9DA0EF9E7AF@ubc.ca>

We are a small university art gallery with a collection of  
approximately 3500 objects and a few small archives. We show  
approximately 6 exhibitions a year, half of which we produce, and half  
are usually collaborations or traveling exhibitions. We travel 1 or 2  
of our own exhibitions a year.  I am just wondering what other  
institutions are using and how they are finding them. In particular we  
want something that can handle both our collection and archives and at  
ideally have some rudimentary search capabilities between them.

We have a small IT department (me, and not my full time duties) and a  
network of approximately 10 computers and a Windows 2003 Server which  
we mostly use for file sharing. Ideally the software would have  
component/module that would allow us to upload a version to the web as  
one of the major criteria for this project is to get our collection  
and archives online.

I have a fairly good budget for this, but I am finding that some of  
the software that I have been looking at is a little over kill for the  
size and scope of what we do. Any thoughts, advice or suggestions  
would be greatly appreciated.



From psully at magnes.org  Thu Jun 25 09:28:29 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:28:29 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
In-Reply-To: <D07C0277A63EF84590EE7CD725D9308A0423D64A@omega.walters.local>
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Kate:

One thing to consider with running a DAMS on a Mac server vs. something
else, is that if you have any future plans for integrating your DAMS
with, say, your CIS or CMS, and those are on a Windows server, it may
add an extra layer of complexity to have two different server
environments. I expect that it could be done, but it's something we're
having to take into account when we look at DAMS solutions and how they
might work with our MS-SQL CIS server.



Perian Sully
Collections Information Manager
Web Programs Strategist
The Magnes
Berkeley, CA


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Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Hello all, I'm interested if anyone has experience with mixing in Mac
servers in a primarily Windows-based network architecture. 

I agree with all the perspectives shared in this thread as related to
workstations, computing-culture and end-user satisfaction. The question
of servers does not affect the end-user outside of the IT department. So
assuming our IT department could support it, is there any benefit to
hosting a DAMS system or any other large, media-asset store on a Mac
server versus a Windows box? I realize this is a digression from the
original intent of this post, but I'd be grateful for any feedback. 

Thanks!  

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   4. Re: Mac vs. PC (Leonard Steinbach)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.

The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."

One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).

So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.

Hope this helps.



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with no
MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.

I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed 
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is 
unseemly.

I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but 
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations. 

Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a 
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'. 

We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.

I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.

Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum





-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff

Thank You,

Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

>Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).

Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>

Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.

We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.

-bw.
--
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:

> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_
Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Drury,

Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.  

Rich



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From lharper at MAG.Rochester.edu  Thu Jun 25 09:44:09 2009
From: lharper at MAG.Rochester.edu (Harper, Lucy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:44:09 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Collection and Archive Management Software for a
	smallmuseum
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We use EmbARK from Gallery Systems and find it works well for us.

Lu Harper
Librarian/Webmaster
Memorial Art Gallery of the University of Rochester
lharper at mag.rochester.edu

-----Original Message-----
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Owen Sopotiuk
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:25 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Collection and Archive Management Software for a
smallmuseum

We are a small university art gallery with a collection of  
approximately 3500 objects and a few small archives. We show  
approximately 6 exhibitions a year, half of which we produce, and half  
are usually collaborations or traveling exhibitions. We travel 1 or 2  
of our own exhibitions a year.  I am just wondering what other  
institutions are using and how they are finding them. In particular we  
want something that can handle both our collection and archives and at  
ideally have some rudimentary search capabilities between them.

We have a small IT department (me, and not my full time duties) and a  
network of approximately 10 computers and a Windows 2003 Server which  
we mostly use for file sharing. Ideally the software would have  
component/module that would allow us to upload a version to the web as  
one of the major criteria for this project is to get our collection  
and archives online.

I have a fairly good budget for this, but I am finding that some of  
the software that I have been looking at is a little over kill for the  
size and scope of what we do. Any thoughts, advice or suggestions  
would be greatly appreciated.


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From Thomas.Deliduka at cmaohio.org  Thu Jun 25 09:51:13 2009
From: Thomas.Deliduka at cmaohio.org (Thomas Deliduka)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:51:13 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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So everyone is chiming in so I figured I'd give you our experience at the Columbus Museum of Art. We have 92 PC's and 6 Macs. The macs are used in Education and the Design Department. When I first got here I found that they were slow (unusually slow) and there were problems with them integrating with the active Directory system, etc.  One user would complain that her mail through Entourage using Exchange was so slow she gave up and used webmail instead.

Then I found out that by default, when you add the computer to the domain, the default is to have the user's home directory up on the network where their network home drive is defined. Well, not only was this extremely slow for loading the desktop and all those settings, but when Entourage would load this user's 1GB mail folder from the network it was unbearable! So, when I add a Mac to the domain, I always tell it to "force the user's home directory to the local computer" which solves that speed issue.

We don't have any other major issues with Macs on the network. I'm the mac guy at the museum (in the IT department) so I take on the support issues that arise, normally, but they're few and far between.

One other tip: if you need to move Fonts between one Mac and another, either use a mac-formatted CD or thumb drive, or connect directly with file sharing. Copying font files to a windows share and back down again has caused major problems for our macs in the past.

Thomas Deliduka
Director of Information Technology
Columbus Museum of Art
480 East Broad Street
Columbus, OH 43215
ph 614/629-0345 fax 614/221-8946
thomas.deliduka at cmaohio.org
?
ART SPEAKS. JOIN THE CONVERSATION


From calexander at sjmusart.org  Thu Jun 25 10:15:03 2009
From: calexander at sjmusart.org (Chris Alexander)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:15:03 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Definitely go with a Mac.  They will become even more compatible with
PCs with the upcoming release of OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard)which will
feature long overdue Microsoft Exchange Server integration with all it's
major apps, i.e. Mail, Calendar, and Contacts.

Chris Alexander | Manager of Interactive Technology
San Jose Museum of Art

-----Original Message-----
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Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC

Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.

We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.

Drury Wellford

Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA  23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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From Images at vanartgallery.bc.ca  Thu Jun 25 10:49:02 2009
From: Images at vanartgallery.bc.ca (Images)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:49:02 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] visual resources job descriptions
Message-ID: <C669069E.30C8%Images@vanartgallery.bc.ca>

A question for the forum then - would any of you working in the realm of copyright and licensing, image archives/management or visual resources, be willing to share your job descriptions? I am thinking of positions like rights and reproductions, copyright administrators, image librarians/archivists/cataloguers, photo services etc. Core responsibilities or tasks (formalized or not) would also be helpful.

Given the discussion yesterday I think there are others who would be interested in this information too, however, I would be more than happy to keep any documents confidential, so please feel free to respond to me off-list as well.

A very big thanks in advance,
Danielle

Danielle Currie | Rights and Reproductions | Vancouver Art Gallery
T 604 662 4700 x 220 |  F 604 682 1086
750 Hornby Street Vancouver, BC V6Z 2H7 CANADA




From david at yakimavalleymuseum.org  Thu Jun 25 11:29:14 2009
From: david at yakimavalleymuseum.org (David Lynx)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:29:14 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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We have never had problems with having a mixed environment of macs and pcs
and connecting them to a Windows server.  I also run VMWare [Windows
emulation software] on the mac, and it runs windows faster than on a windows
machine.  We use the Macs primarily for design work, as most of the printing
houses are mac-based.  Databases area shared across both platforms.

With images, the TIF format has a PC and Mac setting. When we have been
scanning them for our collection database, we primarily have been using the
PC setting, and haven't had a problem opening them on Mac.  But I haven't
seen any problems with either.  Lately, we have been scanning images for our
online collection both on the mac and pc.

On 6/25/09 10:15 AM, "Chris Alexander" <calexander at sjmusart.org> wrote:

> Definitely go with a Mac.  They will become even more compatible with
> PCs with the upcoming release of OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard)which will
> feature long overdue Microsoft Exchange Server integration with all it's
> major apps, i.e. Mail, Calendar, and Contacts.
> 
> Chris Alexander | Manager of Interactive Technology
> San Jose Museum of Art
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> 
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
> 
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
> 
> Drury Wellford
> 
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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From jfevans at Princeton.EDU  Thu Jun 25 11:56:47 2009
From: jfevans at Princeton.EDU (Jeff Evans)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:56:47 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC - UNIX servers
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Hi Kate  - Without cataloging reasons of all sorts, I can tell you  
that Macs will access a Windows server easily enough, but PCs will  
"complain" when hitting on a Mac server.  Microsoft wants you to use  
Microsoft up and down the line.  But they are lousy at handling large  
image files (despite what some sys admins will tell you I'm sure).  So  
most shops handling multi-terabytes of assets use UNIX servers or  
Linux in some cases.  Mac Xserve is essentially a unix server but  
sometimes lacks the processing power of an industry standard machine  
such as a Sun or SGI.

Always a good idea to use the platform that the manufacturer  
recommends and supports - especially for DAMs.  Many shops running a  
Mac or Unix network will run the DAM on a Windows machine on the  
network.  If you have fast switches, it can work really well.


JEFF
On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Kate Siplon wrote:

> Hello all, I'm interested if anyone has experience with mixing in Mac
> servers in a primarily Windows-based network architecture.
>
> I agree with all the perspectives shared in this thread as related to
> workstations, computing-culture and end-user satisfaction. The  
> question
> of servers does not affect the end-user outside of the IT  
> department. So
> assuming our IT department could support it, is there any benefit to
> hosting a DAMS system or any other large, media-asset store on a Mac
> server versus a Windows box? I realize this is a digression from the
> original intent of this post, but I'd be grateful for any feedback.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kate Siplon
> Administrator, Museum Databases
> ksiplon at thewalters.org / 410.547.9000 ext. 266
>
> The Walters Art Museum
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
> From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a  
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without  
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on  
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was  
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum  
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it  
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
> organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
> Mac
> Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
>
> The primary concern should be user productivity and functional  
> efficacy;
> most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
> However,
> in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
> should include some funds for technical orientation or training for  
> (at
> least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
> wide
> variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives  
> you
> the
> win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
> for
> staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess  
> got
> we're getting and now you gotta support it."
>
> One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
> support
> expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
> reaches a
> peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
> Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
> resource).
>
> So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
> otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure  
> that
> access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced)  
> are in
> place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
> IT
> staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
> <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
>
>> Drury,
>>
>> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
>> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with  
>> the
>> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a
> strong MAC
>> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT
>> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of
>> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
> (sometimes
>> outside support is contracted).  So when I was CIO in a museum with  
>> no
> MAC
>> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
> MAC
>> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
> from the
>> diversity.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Drury Wellford
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
>> museum professionals.
>>
>> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
>> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
>> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
>> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
>> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
>> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on  
>> an
>> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
>> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
>> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>>
>> Drury Wellford
>>
>> Ann Drury Wellford
>> Photo Services Manager
>> The Museum of the Confederacy
>> 1201 East Clay Street
>> Richmond, VA  23219
>> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
>> Fax: (804) 644-7150
>> www.moc.org
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
> From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS  
> (updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and  
> patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>> user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
> e_Directory.pdf>
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
> =-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the  
> not" j
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
> eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>>
>> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
>> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
>> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
>> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
>> unseemly.
>>
>> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
>> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
>> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
>> technology, starting with very basic audience
>> expectations.
>>
>> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
>> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
>> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
>> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
>> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>>
>> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
>> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
>> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
>> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>>
>> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
>> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>>
>> Chuck Eisenhardt
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Boston Children's Museum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Jeff L. La Clair
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
>> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your  
>> network
>> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
>> patches and updates. without the need to invest.  I have 16 Mac's and
>> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
>> Jeff
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of  
>> Bruce
>> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>>> Management.  PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>>> user profiles (when roaming).
>>
>> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
>> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
>> Active Directory available at
>>
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>>
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_
> Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
>>>
>>
>> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
>> browser or download) at
>>
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>> 01>
>> covering much of the same material.
>>
>> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
>> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
>> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
>> virtualized windows environments.
>>
>> -bw.
>> --
>>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
> =-=
>> -=-=-=-=
>> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
>> Denver Art Museum  /  100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
>> office: 720.913.0159  /  fax: 720.913.0002
>> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
> From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Thank you Rich.  This is one of the answers I really wanted to get  
> as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices.  If an IT department has a  
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without  
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on  
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted).  So when I was  
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum  
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it  
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf  
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help!  The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection.  We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases.  We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA  23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
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From melissa.fournier at yale.edu  Fri Jun 26 05:11:01 2009
From: melissa.fournier at yale.edu (Fournier, Melissa)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:11:01 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Job Posting - Manager of Collections and Research Computing
Message-ID: <B9E89F50E2B79241BA36C18CC4462E8841AF229D28@XVS3-CLUSTER.yu.yale.edu>

There is a new opportunity at the Yale Center for British Art.


Manager of Collections and Research Computing
Yale Center for British Art

The Manager will oversee and work with a small internal staff and coordinate outside vendors to build out and maintain the architecture for creating, managing and publishing information about the collections of the Yale Center for British Art.  The chief goals of this effort are to permit staff to more efficiently manage collections and the intellectual property around them, and to provide online access to the information and surrogates of collection works.  While the effort is centered on the collections, the Manager must also support the related research and general-public communications and e-commerce needs of the institution.

This position reports to and works with the Chief Curator of Art Collections to set strategy and priorities for the use of technology in support of the Center's mission and goals.  The Manager is responsible for the administration and maintenance of the Center's collection-related computing as well as all aspects of the newly internalized web management for the Center, including the daily management of budgets, contracts, staff and development projects.  The Manager provides high-level expertise and direction for the infrastructure that supports the work of the staff and direct support for all web related projects, maintaining the integrity of the web site's navigation, design logic and usability.

Working closely with key staff across the Center, the Manager maintains and communicates a master project schedule that sustains a high level of access to all Center collections, research tools, and program activities while ensuring resources also for new initiatives and unforeseen opportunities.  This position will represent the Center with other Yale entities, in particular the Office for Digital Assets and Infrastructure, in the growing use of shared infrastructure, applications, and services.

Required: management and strong communication skills, effective at all organizational levels and demonstrated over a course of comparable experience of at least five to seven years, ideally in a museum or academic collecting environment. The successful candidate will have a track record of team-spirited staff and project management in a deadline-driven environment, knowledge of widely used museum applications, web architectures and production, application integration, as well as content development, design, and life-cycle management.

The Manager must have the technical skills to oversee application managers, direct the production, integration and development of the Center's web site and work closely with other university staff who manage aspects of the shared infrastructure.

Finally, the successful candidate will demonstrate an understanding of and keen interest in the particular web opportunities and strategies available to and appropriate for a non-profit cultural heritage and visual arts institution.

This job posting will be available to external applicants via Yale's STARS system by Monday.  To learn more about this position or to submit an application, visit http://www.yale.edu/hronline/stars/application/external/index.html.  Please note all external candidates for employment will be subject to pre-employment screening. All offers are contingent on successful completion of a background check.



Melissa Gold Fournier
Associate Museum Registrar
Imaging / Rights and Reproductions
YALE CENTER FOR BRITISH ART

melissa.fournier at yale.edu

Mailing: P.O. Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520
Shipping: 161 York Street, New Haven, CT 06511
Fax: 203 432 6780
Phone: 203 432 2834


From jtrant at archimuse.com  Fri Jun 26 06:09:28 2009
From: jtrant at archimuse.com (j trant)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:09:28 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] visual resources job descriptions
In-Reply-To: <C669069E.30C8%Images@vanartgallery.bc.ca>
References: <C669069E.30C8%Images@vanartgallery.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <p06240829c66a78d69c95@[192.168.0.100]>

we're happy to host a job description resource on 
http://conference.archimuse.com if people are intersted in sharing 
[redacted / anonymized or not].

jennifer

At 10:49 AM -0700 6/25/09, Images wrote:
>A question for the forum then - would any of you working in the 
>realm of copyright and licensing, image archives/management or 
>visual resources, be willing to share your job descriptions? I am 
>thinking of positions like rights and reproductions, copyright 
>administrators, image librarians/archivists/cataloguers, photo 
>services etc. Core responsibilities or tasks (formalized or not) 
>would also be helpful.
>
>Given the discussion yesterday I think there are others who would be 
>interested in this information too, however, I would be more than 
>happy to keep any documents confidential, so please feel free to 
>respond to me off-list as well.
>
>A very big thanks in advance,
>Danielle
>
>Danielle Currie | Rights and Reproductions | Vancouver Art Gallery
>T 604 662 4700 x 220 |  F 604 682 1086
>750 Hornby Street Vancouver, BC V6Z 2H7 CANADA
>
>
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From dbenavraham at newmuseum.org  Fri Jun 26 08:50:14 2009
From: dbenavraham at newmuseum.org (Doron Ben-Avraham)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:50:14 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] MAC vs PC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245956402.25326.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1245956402.25326.mcn-l@mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <2F26D29C50CB2843BC777C02AA16ABB201336F8E@new-sv-003.newmuseum.org>


In the New museum facilities we had our systems running on mac osx
desktops almost exclusively for almost a year.At the time I thought that
it would be a boon to run the whole place on this "state of the art-
Artist friendly" platform, it looked very nice, but over a period of a
year I came to understand it was inherently dysfunctional.

The promotion of the exclusive end user experience to the exclusion of
anything else, makes for a terrible waste of resources, users organize
their data in extremely inefficient manners (the OS compensates for lack
of order) for  which create a huge bloat (and an expensive one) of
redundant data. The apple platform proved to be a terrible team player,
and in comparison to windows capabilities in an organization Active
Directory control GPO profiling etc...) actually primitive in design,
even when connected to active directory.

I have made the decision to switch back to a windows environment,
(running on our mac hardware) there was much ire and moaning, but
ultimately its was not about "the experience" its about getting things
done. Curiously though, the amount of actual support requests dropped by
about 85% since we moved to the "buggy" windows XP. It is very possible
to make a windows platform very stable in an organizational environment.

Any solution that for DAM that involved transparent connectivity to both
platforms involved a much higher financial toll, one where we could not
afford. Apple does not support non-profits even hostile to it.
while Microsoft gives enterprise class software for near free to any
nonprofit organization that asks, the choice was clear.

I think it boils down to scale, both the size of your organization as
well as the amount IT can devote to overall end user support. As well as
the overall strategy of technologies you foresee employing in the future
Less complexity is a good thing in my book. We run some osx servers, a
majority of windows 2003 servers (now virtualized, something you cannot
really do with osx server platform) and Linux.

When it boils down to it, on the server platform I vote for Linux
overall.



From lesleyeharris at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 11:12:55 2009
From: lesleyeharris at comcast.net (Lesley Ellen Harris)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:12:55 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Copyright Newsletter
Message-ID: <81D9F96A-9604-4A30-BA5A-05721F3CA99B@comcast.net>

The Copyright & New Media Law Newsletter, volume 13 (2009) issue 1, is  
now available for free at http://copyrightlaws.com.  This 13 year old  
quarterly print and electronic newsletter provides copyright  
information, news, analysis and practical advice, in plain English  
from a variety of contributors - from lawyers to academics to others  
working on copyright and licensing issues in their organizations.   
Each issue is 12 pages.

T of C (Vol. 13, Issue 1)
Editorial ? lobbying for copyright reform
Copyright Rules of the Road for Bloggers
U.S. Copyright Legislation in 2009
Copyright Quiz 1.0
?Non-Commercial? and Other Definitions in Licenses
Copyright Questions & Answers (a comprehensive list of these Qs & As  
is at www.copyrightanswers.blogspot.com)

You may also email editor at copyrightlaws.com for a PDF version of this  
issue.

Lesley

From psully at magnes.org  Mon Jun 29 09:52:55 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:52:55 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Reminder! AAM Conference M&T Endorsement deadline is July
	10!
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCBCD@jlm-net.jlm.local>

Greetings!

 

Now is the time again that we organize session presentations for the AAM
2010 Los Angels May 23-27. The deadline for Media and Technology SPC
endorsement is July 10, two weeks from now! 

 

2010 has as its theme: "Museums Without Borders" 

 

We encourage you to search for new answers and/or discussions to the
following ideas,

 

* Technology and the Small Museum (all areas) 

* International Perspectives: Cross Regions and Borders (all areas) 

* Technology Management Through Tough Economic 

* Leadership, Sustainability, Accountability 

* Initiating Change: How to Adopt New Technologies Without Fear 

* Connecting the Dots: Re-Design, Re-Purpose, and Re-Use / Digital
Assets 

* Best Models, Best Practices, Innovative Uses and Practical
Implications 

* Exhibit Design and Development (Online/Onsite) 

* Alternative Interactive Devices / Alternative Interfaces 

* Educational Programs and Professional Development (Online/Onsite) 

* What's Next in Web 2.0 or Web 3.0 

* Social Participation / Social Networking / Public Curation 

* Communication, Collaboration, and Sharing Resources  

* System Integration, Preservation, and Convergence 

* Building Diverse Communities / Diversity of Participation / Thought
and Action 

* New Ideas, New Approaches /  Future Trends in Museum Media &
Technology 

* Ideas for Technology Tutorials ... 

 

What can you do?

For those who attended at Philadelphia, look over your notes and think
back for a moment. Send me your comments as to what were the outstanding
topics or individual speakers that you saw. What were the issues that
you would like to see addressed again, in greater detail, or perhaps
differently? Even if you didn't attend, take a moment to review the same
questions: what information or topics need to be explored in a forum
where so many diverse associates gather?  What should we, as a
committee, be looking at as our important, central concerns?

 

If you are interested in organizing a session, please drop me a note
first. This is not an empty solicitation, you will be responded to, and
this is a direct path to having your voice heard...join in!

 

AGAIN! DEADLINE FOR M&T SPC ENDORSEMENT (complete proposal) is July 10,
2009.

 

As AAM is continuing its 'green steps' in the session proposal process,
the entire submission process will now be online only.  Anyone can
submit a proposal, you don't have to be a member of AAM.  Just follow
the Session Proposal Guideline at
http://www.aam-us.org/am10/sessionpropos.cfm

 

To submit a proposal, click on "Submit a Proposal" and follow the steps.
The online form does not have spell check or formatting options and
there are size limits to most description fields. We suggest that you
type your proposal in Word, run spell check and make any formatting
changes (like bold, italics or underlines) there.  You can then copy and
paste in to the appropriate section of the proposal form.

 

Again, thanks to you all for being a part of this committee. I look
forward to our further conversations.

 

My best,

Herminia

Program Chair, Media and Technology Committee

 

Email: hdin at uaa.alaska.edu

 

************************************************************************
**********************************

See your website for 2009 MUSE winners and other great informational
links:

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org/muse/index.html

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org/

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From psully at magnes.org  Mon Jun 29 15:12:56 2009
From: psully at magnes.org (Perian Sully)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:12:56 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
Message-ID: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCC24@jlm-net.jlm.local>

I've a question for you web folks:

 

I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
and then save the options for use later.

 

I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
output.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

 

Perian Sully

Collections Information Manager

Web Programs Strategist

The Magnes

2911 Russell St.

Berkeley, CA 94705

Work: 510-549-6950 x 357

Fax: 510-849-3673

http://www.magnes.org

http://www.musematic.org

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org

 


From cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org  Mon Jun 29 18:33:01 2009
From: cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org (Chris Scrofani)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:33:01 -1000
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
Message-ID: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>

Hello All,

We are thinking about asking our visitors for their zip code when they 
enter our museum.  We know that many other museums do this as well.  We 
are curious as to the best way to use the collected data though.

I'm curious if there is a type of "zip code stats" type of program or 
website, that allows you to import a text file (.csv or other), and then 
analyzes the zip codes and shows you graphs / maps / lists of where your 
visitors come from.  Does anyone know of something like this?

How do you all interpret your zip code data once it has been collected?

Thanks,
Chris

--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org


From marty at fsu.edu  Mon Jun 29 18:44:44 2009
From: marty at fsu.edu (Paul Marty)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:44:44 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
In-Reply-To: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
References: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
Message-ID: <44971347-7DD7-4178-82C8-95F66C09D555@fsu.edu>

This is not at all an answer to your question, but if you've never  
seen Ben Fry's zipdecode project, it's worth a look:
http://benfry.com/zipdecode/

Best, --Paul
--------------
Paul F. Marty, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, College of Information, Florida State University
240 Louis Shores Building, Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100
http://marty.ci.fsu.edu/ ? 850.644.5133 ? marty at fsu.edu

On Jun 29, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Chris Scrofani wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> We are thinking about asking our visitors for their zip code when they
> enter our museum.  We know that many other museums do this as well.   
> We
> are curious as to the best way to use the collected data though.
>
> I'm curious if there is a type of "zip code stats" type of program or
> website, that allows you to import a text file (.csv or other), and  
> then
> analyzes the zip codes and shows you graphs / maps / lists of where  
> your
> visitors come from.  Does anyone know of something like this?
>
> How do you all interpret your zip code data once it has been  
> collected?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Scrofani
> Network Administrator
> Honolulu Academy of Arts
> 900 South Beretania Street
> Honolulu, HI 96814
> Tel. 808 532-3625
> cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org
>
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From rcherry at balboaparkonline.org  Mon Jun 29 21:14:21 2009
From: rcherry at balboaparkonline.org (Rich Cherry)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:14:21 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
In-Reply-To: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
References: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
Message-ID: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC9375@MAILR005.mail.lan>

Chris,

I have used Microsoft MapPoint... It imports CSV, XLS and can connect to SQL databases. So while it works pretty good for the mapping part, I found is that Marketing usually has a hard time acting on that kind of data.  It ends up being a neat visualization with little effective ROI.  Also be careful that the process allows for the users not to give a zip as admissions staff will make up data if there is no skip button when a patron refuses... they punch in their own zip or the museums to avoid arguing with the patron.

Rich


Rich Cherry
Director
Balboa Park Online Collaborative
A Project of the Benbough Operating Foundation
2131 Pan American Plz
San Diego, CA 92101
B: (619) 819-8331
F: (619) 819-8230
rcherry at balboaparkonline.org



-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Scrofani
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:33 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics

Hello All,

We are thinking about asking our visitors for their zip code when they 
enter our museum.  We know that many other museums do this as well.  We 
are curious as to the best way to use the collected data though.

I'm curious if there is a type of "zip code stats" type of program or 
website, that allows you to import a text file (.csv or other), and then 
analyzes the zip codes and shows you graphs / maps / lists of where your 
visitors come from.  Does anyone know of something like this?

How do you all interpret your zip code data once it has been collected?

Thanks,
Chris

--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org

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From dave at NLEOMF.ORG  Tue Jun 30 06:53:17 2009
From: dave at NLEOMF.ORG (David Salovesh)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:53:17 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
In-Reply-To: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCC24@jlm-net.jlm.local>
References: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCC24@jlm-net.jlm.local>
Message-ID: <65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD8A1B@fs2.NLEM.int>

I've gotten good base results from "Xenu's Link Sleuth".  At its core it's a broken link finder, but you can customize the reporting to just generate a site map if you wish.

It won't spit out a map in the absolute final format you'll want to put on your site, but it's easy to polish up the report (delivered in html) into something you can use.

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html

(Yes, it's free.  No, it's not a $cientology front.)

Dave Salovesh 
Information Technology Manager
National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund

-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Perian Sully
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:13 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?

I've a question for you web folks:

 

I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
and then save the options for use later.

 

I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
output.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

 

Perian Sully

Collections Information Manager

Web Programs Strategist

The Magnes

2911 Russell St.

Berkeley, CA 94705

Work: 510-549-6950 x 357

Fax: 510-849-3673

http://www.magnes.org

http://www.musematic.org

http://www.mediaandtechnology.org

 

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From jessie.gillan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 07:28:25 2009
From: jessie.gillan at gmail.com (Jessie Gillan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:28:25 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
In-Reply-To: <65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD8A1B@fs2.NLEM.int>
References: <AD775DE5635C2042BF1DCB7EED36A83B6DCC24@jlm-net.jlm.local>
	<65656E58CE28E7408ADD445F7DD120CC11ADFD8A1B@fs2.NLEM.int>
Message-ID: <bfdaa970906300728y66f96e56jd0fe265283ec5bf2@mail.gmail.com>

This is the google recommended freeware site map builder: Site Map Builder
.NET, I think it works quite well at finding all of your pages and allowing
you to edit the content either in xml or txt and finds broken links and such
as well.

http://www.sitemapbuilder.net/

Jessie Gillan
Creative Director, Rogallery.com & MLIS Candidate, Pratt


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, David Salovesh <dave at nleomf.org> wrote:

> I've gotten good base results from "Xenu's Link Sleuth".  At its core it's
> a broken link finder, but you can customize the reporting to just generate a
> site map if you wish.
>
> It won't spit out a map in the absolute final format you'll want to put on
> your site, but it's easy to polish up the report (delivered in html) into
> something you can use.
>
> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
>
> (Yes, it's free.  No, it's not a $cientology front.)
>
> Dave Salovesh
> Information Technology Manager
> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Perian Sully
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:13 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
>
> I've a question for you web folks:
>
>
>
> I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
> have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
> blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
> getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
> there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
> allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
> and then save the options for use later.
>
>
>
> I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
> haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
> output.
>
>
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
>
>
>
> Perian Sully
>
> Collections Information Manager
>
> Web Programs Strategist
>
> The Magnes
>
> 2911 Russell St.
>
> Berkeley, CA 94705
>
> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357
>
> Fax: 510-849-3673
>
> http://www.magnes.org
>
> http://www.musematic.org
>
> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org
>
>
>
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From rjstein at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 07:47:19 2009
From: rjstein at gmail.com (Robert Stein)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:47:19 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
In-Reply-To: <0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC9375@MAILR005.mail.lan>
References: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
	<0758790FE14FAD4FB84FE71572FD910C027DCC9375@MAILR005.mail.lan>
Message-ID: <fd24b3c20906300747t5a3fce4coe0548367b82e8b02@mail.gmail.com>

We've done something like this here at the IMA...  We DO collect zipcode
data from visitors during the ticketing process and stored in our Patron's
Edge database. We chose to write a google maps mashup that would pull this
data from Patron's Edge and plot it on the map.  We also wanted to compare
this admissions info with the census data for that zipcode.  For this, we
used the information from zipskinny.com and pulled that into the Google Map
as well.
I agree with Rich that the harder part is working with Marketing and
Administration about how we should act on this information now that we have
it.  We're still in process there, but seeing the information in action is
definately helpful in envisioning how this should happen.

You can check-out what we've done on our Dashboard website here:
http://dashboard.imamuseum.org/series/Admissions+Map

We're happy to talk with folks more about how to implement this type of
solution if you're interested...

Rob

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I have used Microsoft MapPoint... It imports CSV, XLS and can connect to
> SQL databases. So while it works pretty good for the mapping part, I found
> is that Marketing usually has a hard time acting on that kind of data.  It
> ends up being a neat visualization with little effective ROI.  Also be
> careful that the process allows for the users not to give a zip as
> admissions staff will make up data if there is no skip button when a patron
> refuses... they punch in their own zip or the museums to avoid arguing with
> the patron.
>
> Rich
>
>
> Rich Cherry
> Director
> Balboa Park Online Collaborative
> A Project of the Benbough Operating Foundation
> 2131 Pan American Plz
> San Diego, CA 92101
> B: (619) 819-8331
> F: (619) 819-8230
> rcherry at balboaparkonline.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Chris Scrofani
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:33 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
>
> Hello All,
>
> We are thinking about asking our visitors for their zip code when they
> enter our museum.  We know that many other museums do this as well.  We
> are curious as to the best way to use the collected data though.
>
> I'm curious if there is a type of "zip code stats" type of program or
> website, that allows you to import a text file (.csv or other), and then
> analyzes the zip codes and shows you graphs / maps / lists of where your
> visitors come from.  Does anyone know of something like this?
>
> How do you all interpret your zip code data once it has been collected?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Scrofani
> Network Administrator
> Honolulu Academy of Arts
> 900 South Beretania Street
> Honolulu, HI 96814
> Tel. 808 532-3625
> cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org
>
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From FThomson at ashevilleart.org  Tue Jun 30 07:50:34 2009
From: FThomson at ashevilleart.org (Frank E. Thomson)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:50:34 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics
In-Reply-To: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
References: <4A496B4D.5020404@honoluluacademy.org>
Message-ID: <6905D9194DC5B6489FA18E7E0763D97408847EB27F@server4.ashart.local>

We use Microsoft Mappoint, it allows you to import an excel spreadsheet and gives you a variety of graphic views. 

Frank E. Thomson, Curator
Asheville Art Museum
PO Box 1717
Asheville, NC 28802
fthomson at ashevilleart.org
www.ashevilleart.org
828.253.3227 tel
828.257.4503 fax

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-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Scrofani
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:33 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Zip Code Statistics

Hello All,

We are thinking about asking our visitors for their zip code when they 
enter our museum.  We know that many other museums do this as well.  We 
are curious as to the best way to use the collected data though.

I'm curious if there is a type of "zip code stats" type of program or 
website, that allows you to import a text file (.csv or other), and then 
analyzes the zip codes and shows you graphs / maps / lists of where your 
visitors come from.  Does anyone know of something like this?

How do you all interpret your zip code data once it has been collected?

Thanks,
Chris

--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
Tel. 808 532-3625
cscrofani at honoluluacademy.org

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From david at yakimavalleymuseum.org  Tue Jun 30 13:38:11 2009
From: david at yakimavalleymuseum.org (David Lynx)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:38:11 -0700
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
In-Reply-To: <bfdaa970906300728y66f96e56jd0fe265283ec5bf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C66FC5C3.B106%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>

I used to use a plug-in for Dreamweaver, but it doesn't seem to work with
the newest version.  Lately I have been using - http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/

On 6/30/09 7:28 AM, "Jessie Gillan" <jessie.gillan at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the google recommended freeware site map builder: Site Map Builder
> .NET, I think it works quite well at finding all of your pages and allowing
> you to edit the content either in xml or txt and finds broken links and such
> as well.
> 
> http://www.sitemapbuilder.net/
> 
> Jessie Gillan
> Creative Director, Rogallery.com & MLIS Candidate, Pratt
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, David Salovesh <dave at nleomf.org> wrote:
> 
>> I've gotten good base results from "Xenu's Link Sleuth".  At its core it's
>> a broken link finder, but you can customize the reporting to just generate a
>> site map if you wish.
>> 
>> It won't spit out a map in the absolute final format you'll want to put on
>> your site, but it's easy to polish up the report (delivered in html) into
>> something you can use.
>> 
>> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
>> 
>> (Yes, it's free.  No, it's not a $cientology front.)
>> 
>> Dave Salovesh
>> Information Technology Manager
>> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Perian Sully
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:13 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
>> 
>> I've a question for you web folks:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
>> have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
>> blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
>> getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
>> there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
>> allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
>> and then save the options for use later.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
>> haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
>> output.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Perian Sully
>> 
>> Collections Information Manager
>> 
>> Web Programs Strategist
>> 
>> The Magnes
>> 
>> 2911 Russell St.
>> 
>> Berkeley, CA 94705
>> 
>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357
>> 
>> Fax: 510-849-3673
>> 
>> http://www.magnes.org
>> 
>> http://www.musematic.org
>> 
>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> You are currently subscribed to mcn-l, the listserv of the Museum Computer
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From FThomson at ashevilleart.org  Tue Jun 30 13:43:02 2009
From: FThomson at ashevilleart.org (Frank E. Thomson)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:43:02 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
In-Reply-To: <C66FC5C3.B106%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
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Oops, fixed it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of David Lynx
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:38 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?

I used to use a plug-in for Dreamweaver, but it doesn't seem to work with
the newest version.  Lately I have been using - http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/

On 6/30/09 7:28 AM, "Jessie Gillan" <jessie.gillan at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the google recommended freeware site map builder: Site Map Builder
> .NET, I think it works quite well at finding all of your pages and allowing
> you to edit the content either in xml or txt and finds broken links and such
> as well.
> 
> http://www.sitemapbuilder.net/
> 
> Jessie Gillan
> Creative Director, Rogallery.com & MLIS Candidate, Pratt
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, David Salovesh <dave at nleomf.org> wrote:
> 
>> I've gotten good base results from "Xenu's Link Sleuth".  At its core it's
>> a broken link finder, but you can customize the reporting to just generate a
>> site map if you wish.
>> 
>> It won't spit out a map in the absolute final format you'll want to put on
>> your site, but it's easy to polish up the report (delivered in html) into
>> something you can use.
>> 
>> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
>> 
>> (Yes, it's free.  No, it's not a $cientology front.)
>> 
>> Dave Salovesh
>> Information Technology Manager
>> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Perian Sully
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:13 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
>> 
>> I've a question for you web folks:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
>> have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
>> blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
>> getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
>> there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
>> allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
>> and then save the options for use later.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
>> haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
>> output.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Perian Sully
>> 
>> Collections Information Manager
>> 
>> Web Programs Strategist
>> 
>> The Magnes
>> 
>> 2911 Russell St.
>> 
>> Berkeley, CA 94705
>> 
>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357
>> 
>> Fax: 510-849-3673
>> 
>> http://www.magnes.org
>> 
>> http://www.musematic.org
>> 
>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Shyam.Oberoi at metmuseum.org  Tue Jun 30 14:38:51 2009
From: Shyam.Oberoi at metmuseum.org (Oberoi, Shyam)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:38:51 -0400
Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
In-Reply-To: <C66FC5C3.B106%david@yakimavalleymuseum.org>
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In the past I've had some luck with this:

http://www.auditmypc.com/xml-sitemap.asp

It's java-based, and you may have to tweak the setting if you have a lot of content to scan.  That said, it has pretty flexible filtering and allows you to export in all sorts of different formats.


Shyam Oberoi
Sr. Website Technology Manager
The Metropolitan Museum of Art
---------------------------------------------
shyam.oberoi at metmuseum.org
p. 212-650-2303




-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of David Lynx
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:38 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?

I used to use a plug-in for Dreamweaver, but it doesn't seem to work with
the newest version.  Lately I have been using - http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/

On 6/30/09 7:28 AM, "Jessie Gillan" <jessie.gillan at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the google recommended freeware site map builder: Site Map Builder
> .NET, I think it works quite well at finding all of your pages and allowing
> you to edit the content either in xml or txt and finds broken links and such
> as well.
> 
> http://www.sitemapbuilder.net/
> 
> Jessie Gillan
> Creative Director, Rogallery.com & MLIS Candidate, Pratt
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, David Salovesh <dave at nleomf.org> wrote:
> 
>> I've gotten good base results from "Xenu's Link Sleuth".  At its core it's
>> a broken link finder, but you can customize the reporting to just generate a
>> site map if you wish.
>> 
>> It won't spit out a map in the absolute final format you'll want to put on
>> your site, but it's easy to polish up the report (delivered in html) into
>> something you can use.
>> 
>> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
>> 
>> (Yes, it's free.  No, it's not a $cientology front.)
>> 
>> Dave Salovesh
>> Information Technology Manager
>> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Perian Sully
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:13 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Sitemap generators?
>> 
>> I've a question for you web folks:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I need to generate a sitemap for our website (unbelievably, we don't
>> have one yet). The site is currently just running HTML with a Wordpress
>> blog attached to it. The free sitemap generator I've downloaded is
>> getting all of the pages, including the blog. So I'm wondering if
>> there's a better utility I could be using (preferably free), which would
>> allow me to define exactly which pages I want included in the sitemap,
>> and then save the options for use later.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I do have Dreamweaver 8 which I'm using to work on the site, but I
>> haven't quite figured out how/if I can use it to generate an HTML
>> output.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Perian Sully
>> 
>> Collections Information Manager
>> 
>> Web Programs Strategist
>> 
>> The Magnes
>> 
>> 2911 Russell St.
>> 
>> Berkeley, CA 94705
>> 
>> Work: 510-549-6950 x 357
>> 
>> Fax: 510-849-3673
>> 
>> http://www.magnes.org
>> 
>> http://www.musematic.org
>> 
>> http://www.mediaandtechnology.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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